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Mark.....I did the initial backup using Clickfree and now it only
searches thru my HD for new files or folders and adds them.  If I delete
one, Clickfree does NOT do the same.

In other words, it will be on my backup drive until I manually erase it.
That's a good thing, in my book.

Heather



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Here a question comes:
Do you want to backup data or entire system too? As far as I
understood Clickfree does create backup of data only and it is not
able to restore programs and OS in case of disaster. Ghost, Drive
Backup 9.0, Perfect Image 11 - all these pieces of software does
create image of entire system and data partitions so you could restore
to brand new HDD and run OS without need of that bulky OS, drivers,
applications reinstallation process.

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Here a question comes:
Do you want to backup data or entire system too? As far as I
understood Clickfree does create backup of data only and it is not
able to restore programs and OS in case of disaster. Ghost, Drive
Backup 9.0, Perfect Image 11 - all these pieces of software does
create image of entire system and data partitions so you could restore
to brand new HDD and run OS without need of that bulky OS, drivers,
applications reinstallation process.

***
Image data is just data like any other data and can be stored and
retrieved from storage in the normal manner. So, just put your ISO
image files in with your personal data in your online storage. Be sure
to have the program you will need to do the restoring also available.

The key thing to remember is that diversity rules. Space diversity -
keeping the backups located physically apart. Method diversity -
making different types of backups. The former is obvious enough,
(crashing satellites) but the latter isn't - it is in case one method fails
to restore.
***



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I'm sure some people have, but you know the old saying about
'put all your eggs in one basket - and *watch* that basket'?

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I prefer that to internet based storage - what if the internet gets a
cold? Well, I suppose it matters less now than before since even
the OS and applications are becoming *dependent* on internet
communications in their very functioning.

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Me neither, as they're all *online* I don't inquire further.

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I've got a small 200GB USB harddrive (Maxtor) and use the "MaxBlast"
(powered by Acronis) utility to save drive images for my two laptops. I
just got a NAS200 network storage device from a sinking Circuit City
store in my hometown to do the regular full and incremental backups with
the XP and Vista provided utilities.

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...or if a satellite falls on them?

It is recommended to store copies in different physical locations so it
would take two satellites...

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I'm sure some people have...



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Hi FTR.....doubt you will ever lose your dry sense of humour, lol.  I
forgot I had an unopened Acronis on this machine.  And Nero Backup and
an old unopened copy of Ghost, so could have gone the Maxtor route.

The only thing I back up twice is my genealogy research and Family Tree.
That is 10 years of research and there is no way I would take a chance
on a satellite (make that 2 or 3) landing on all of my copies!!  I have
over 1600 documented names which are not on paper......it would take a
couple of reams to do that!!

Cheers from above you......Heather



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I was considering satellite backup (in case of global disaster), but
with my luck it would be *that* satellite that takes out my building.



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LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
Now I have to reject the idea of backup to Mars too. =)

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FERRANTE wrote:
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I did not like Carbonite.

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You might want to evaluate Mozy.

I no longer use an online backup system, but when I did, I chose Mozy,
both for my personal data and for the data at the law office where I was
employed.

The only real downside is that it takes a good chunk of time to perform
the initial upload--particularly if you have a lot of data, and you're
using the personal, not corporate, version--and if your HDD crashes, the
download time for your recovery data will make you crazy. Mozy has an
option to allow you to order CDs of your backup, with FedEx delivery, if
you don't want to wait. For a few missing or accidentally deleted files,
recovery is no big deal.

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I have talked to a lot of people about data preservation, and I can
promise you that there will never be an entirely reliable backup. If
your data is very important to you, "belt and suspenders" is the way to
go. Use a backup drive, and make two backups--using two different backup
programs--and then backup online too. No single system is infallible,
and as soon as you rely on only one option, something is bound to go
wrong.

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I've evaluated most (if not all) of the online backup options available
for home users. Now I just backup to an external drive and hope for the
best.

--
Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries

"You know you can indict a ham sandwich if you want to."
William J. Martini, Judge, United States District Court



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On 02/02/2009 09:13 PM, Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries sent:

Snip, snip...

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Hello Rhonda:

The fact that you've turned to a local backup solution probably says it
best.  I suppose if you backed up the backup by burning an occasional
DVD, from your backup drive, you might increase your confidence level.

All that might remain, is what backup software do you use?

Thank you.

Pete
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1PW  @?6A62?FEH9:DE=6o2@=]4@> [r4o7t]

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Well, I only did so because it was more convenient for me. Considering
how many times my backup disk has gotten lost in the house, I'm not sure
it's the safest solution.

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I use Acronis, with some trepidation considering the problems some
people have had restoring with certain versions. Anything I consider
irreplaceable is also copied manually to the backup drive, as well as to
free online services (one for documents, another for pictures). All my
email is also permanently stored on my various providers' servers. I
don't download videos and music, so neither is a consideration.

I have stuff everywhere. Privacy is not my concern. If I need to keep a
secret, I don't put it on the computer.

--
Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries

"You know you can indict a ham sandwich if you want to."
William J. Martini, Judge, United States District Court



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I have one more question, but first I want to thank each and everyone
who has offered help. I am going to stay away from online backup and
get a sizable external HD and software program. Now to my last
question (I hope):

I am a basic home user with lots of programs, games, pictures on my
computer. I am not exactly sure what I should back up? Is it best to
backup everything or just data, pics, and stuff life that?  

I have an Itunes folder with about 3500 songs on it and I backed that
up to an external HD some time ago. I still have a copy on the
computer, but since I downloaded many songs of CD's and then got rid
of the CD's (about 500), I do not want to lose that folder for sure.
Also, I took some videos, lots of them, of my dad and he died last
year and I immediately saved those to my external HD as they can never
be replaced. Anything really important, I print and save them as I am
afraid to leave personal stuff such as back stuff on the computer.

Should I try and backup all my programs and everything which would
probably mean most of the OS, or just reinstall them if need be?

Again, thanks for all your help,
Mark

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Backup the pictures,music,documents. Export browser bookmarks, email
and news account settings and then back those up as well.
As far as 'all your programs' backup only the programs installation
files that hopefully you have saved somewhere. It will do you little
if any good to backup the Program Files folder. Once these items are
saved to an external device many users place that device off-site or
in an on-site fireproof/waterproof container.


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You're welcome.


That is good, but don't count out the online option just yet. Space
diversity. Say you've backed up using different methods and on
different media (harddrive, cd, tape, dvd etc...) in your closet, on
your entertainment system's shelves, in the basement, attic. You go
off to the store and then a.........let's say a ......okay..a ...

satellite hits your house.

Nice to know that there is still a way to retrieve your Best of Hubble
collection.

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Most programs I've seen will do a complete backup of files (some notable
exclusions) and thereafter do incremental backups of what changed during
the interim. Some you can choose what partitions/directories/files you want
backed up (or excluded). Some methods of backup will save what's needed
to restore the image of the disk. Not just files - the whole of the
information
on disk.

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Only you can know the value placed on your data. If I had pictures of
my dad and I doing stuff...well let's just say Best of Hubble doesn't come
close. In fact they would be more important to me than banking account
information.

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My advice is to back up the entire thing using disk image software.
Back up using regular file based backups (full - then incremental).
Make a schedule so that you don't forget to make new images from
time to time. Keep these images and backups as safe as possible.

Space diversity is the way to not keep all your eggs in one basket.

Some people keep their work backup at home and their home backup
at work (or in the car..not recommended because the sock drawer and
garage could be hit by the same ...  satellite). Online storage is one way
to achieve this.

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You're welcome again.



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Hello Mark,
taking backups of files (music, pictures, doc etc) could take all your
space, no difference what big size of HDD you have. And this does not
help you if your system gets corrupted too, restoring files will not
save your time you could spend reinstalling programs, games and the
Windows itself. What you need is the backup of file system (partition
or drive) with all data on it (system, drivers, programs and data).
My backup solution - Paragon Drive Backup 9.0 does create the backup
image on sector level and this backup image contains system, drivers,
programs and data. Happens something bad I boot from Boot CD for DB9
and restore the drive from backup image. Then restart PC and wow, I
get my OS again working and healthy as it was at the moment of backup
creation.
The same for data partition. Create backup of it and then later take
differential or incremental backup images so to save space and time
for backup operations. Only changes done since last full backup will
be saved.
One important thing is - duplicate those backup images to several
drives. It could happen that one HDD dies and second one gets
corrupted. HDDs are instable unfortunately and even power shortage
could brake them.

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This sounds interesting, but somewhat confusing to me. What is meant
when you say that PD9 backs up image in sector level? Does that mean
that it has backed up the info on your computer HD and will access it
from there is need be or does it backup to say a separate HD and you
access everything from there?

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Again, what is the data partition and how does one locate it? If it is
already part of your system, wouldn't the image that you have created
with DB9 already have that stuff on it or are you saying doing this is
only for the most recent changes such as music, data, stuff like that?
Any sites you can recommend that may show how to do all of this
step-by step? I don't want to sound stupid, but this is all new to me
and I want to do backups the correct way, hence, all the questions.

Thanks,
Mark


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Look at chapter three for some general information, and if at least one
of your drives is a Seagate or Maxtor brand - the software is free albeit
not fully featured.
http://www.seagate.com/support/maxblast/mb_ug.en.pdf



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Hello Mark,

online backup services could loose your data as well. Don't you read
news when even respectful banks have managed to loose the private
account data of thousands clients? The best way to be insured against
data loss or system crash is external HDD and duplication of your
backup to CD\DVD media + USB drive.
Just as an example, take Drive Backup 9.0 Personal Edition: www.drive-backu=
p.com
I use this software myself for 4 years already (sure its previous
versions too) and I am thanking God each time my system gets screwed
up by malware or HDD failure. 15 minutes this software requires to
restore from backup image normally stored on external HDD saves me
lots of nerves and time. Worth of going and having a cup of coffee and
letting Drive Backup recover my system to the fresh state it was at
the moment of backup. Now imagine that your PC HDD dies and you need
quick recover, sure no OS is installed, you request bare metal restore
- but to recover from online backup service you need at least Internet
connection. And omg, local Internet provider got bankrupt recently etc
etc etc. You will loose here my friend. Kick off all those thoughts
and stick with local backup software.
So my answer to online backup service is - NO.

regards,
Noxcho

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I maintain a list of storage sites
(http://www.cryer.co.uk/resources/virtual_storage.htm ), with the emphasis on
storage rather than backup. I have over the years recieved a few emails from
people who need to recover their files and yet the storage provider they
were using has gone out of business. So if you do go the route of using an
on-line provider for your backup be sure that its a dependable company with
a long track record.

A couple of points (which I know have already been touched on) but which are
worth emphasising:

1. On lline backup systems are only really suitable for small amounts of
data. They may offer large amounts of storage but consider how long it takes
to upload that much data to them and how you will ensure that the servers
are kept up to date. If you have a selection of files that you need then
thsi is fine, but if you were thinking about using it to keep a backup of
say your company email (don't laugh, I've seen it suggested) then forget it.

2. External hard disks are more versatile and probably work out cheaper in
the long run. HOWEVER, if you go this route then consider haveing 2 or 3
external disks and keeping all but the one you are using off-site somewhere.
Your worst case scenario is something like a fire, which destroys your pc
and everything attached to it (and which happens when you've brought an
external disk back in to do the backup).

3. I know a number of people who backup to external disks, but I've not
known any of them to voice concerns over those disks then being stolen. I
accept that it is a concevable risk, but unless your data is very sensitive
you "only" have the inconvenience of replacing the disk. Treat it like
anything else you have, so unless you have a break-in don't provide the
opportunity for theft.

Hope this helps.
--
Brian Cryer
www.cryer.co.uk/brian


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"I was thinking about a large external HD, but what happens if that would
get stolen and your computer crashes?"

But what happens if you can't connect to the online backup provider?

Natural disasters, server crashes, fly by night backup providers, who's to
say how secure the backup provider is? What about their employees snooping
into your files?

A number of years ago I had a HDD fail and my internal backup tape would
not restore from the most recent backup tape while I was in the middle of
a large project.

I switched to an external SCSI tape drive plus ghosted an image to a 2nd
internal HDD.

For several years now I've been using Acronis True Image to back up to an
external HDD. Additionally I still do periodic SCSI tape backups using
Ghost.

I've successfully restored from image with both Ghost and Acronis.

I do the backups overnight.

Chas.



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