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Has anyone dealt with backing up your data online? Do you use a
external HD and backup software?

I was thinking about the online company, Carbonite, but I read so many
bad things while checking it out through Google. I am not sure about
any other online places. I was thinking about a large external HD, but
what happens if that would get stolen and your computer crashes?

Anyone have an experience with this?

Thanks,
Mark

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I had thought about an external hard drive, and I do have Nero which I
assume would back my info up.  But it seemed to be such a chore.  I did
have backups on CD's that I usually made every couple of months.

However, in December I saw Clickfree automatic backup being demo'd on
the Home Shopping Club and I decided it was a heck of a lot easier.  I
will give you the link, but have now used it 3 or 4 times and I am
really quite happy with it.  You can back up several computers as
separate entities, btw.  All it needs is a USB port and the rest is
automatic.

http://www.goclickfree.com/index.php

On rereading this, it sounds like an ad, lol.  Trust me, I have no
connection to this company....but check it out.

Heather



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On 02/01/2009 09:20 PM, Heather sent:

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Hello Heather:

Do you have any continuing/periodic costs after the initial sale?  Have
you had a need to ask them for restore assistance?

If a lone HDD, in one of your systems, has a head crash, how easy would
the rebuild process be?  Would you build a bare-bones system and then
have your backups overwrite /that/ system on the replacement HDD or do
you bootup from the clickfree HDD?

How might this have compared to buying someone else's external HDD
product and choosing one of many freeware backup/restore applications?

In real businesses, talk of the speed and completeness of "bare metal
restores" is discussed and debated.  How do you think clickfree might rate?

Thank you for whatever you can relate.

Pete
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Hi Pete....see inline for things I can answer without plugging Clickfree
in.....

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No additional costs and no need to restore.  I didn't have to restore my
old WinME either, but there were nail-biting moments, lol.  Mike M.
usually would bail me out.  He's a *real* MVP, btw!!  (G)

I have a huge number of mp3's on here, but more importantly I have a lot
of photos, which are also backed up to CD's.  I design jewellery
(relatively new passion), so kinda like to have my work-in-progress
accessible.  I do use a jump drive to back those particular ones up.
Makes it easier to show people what I am working on.
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Can't answer that.  I have never had a crash on 95, WinME or XP.  Touch
wood!!  As for the second part, I would have to plug it in and hunt
around a bit to see what instructions there are for that.
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I like it better because it does it automatically and most people
(including me) are inherently lazy and don't back stuff up until they
have a scare or a disaster.  I usually backed up the photos onto a jump
drive regularly in the past year.  The mp3's are on CD's.

I believe I have a couple of programs on here that would back it all up,
but I would have to spend a fair bit on the external HDD, so this was
more attractive.  I had talked to the guy who built this computer about
getting the external HDD, so know what it would have cost me.  Less than
Clickfree, but in this case money was not the primary issue.
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This is not something I am conversant with.  I am retired and speed is
not a concern.  But I will say that my daughter works at a college as
their resident graphic artist....using XP at work, but a Mac at
home.....and she was VERY impressed with this gadget.  She said as soon
as a Mac one comes out, she is buying it.  And she has Zip drives and
jump drives galore.
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I hope that was of some help......but if you click on the link that
"JackPineSavage" provided, there is more explanation on the QVC
write-up.  I bought mine in Canada at TSC......and I paid $130 Cdn. for
the 250 gig one.  I could have bought a smaller one, but the price
differential was not all that much.

Cheers.......Heather



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I gather you have not disabled autorun, as recommended in
http://www.cert.org/blogs/vuls/2008/04/the_dangers_of_windows_autorun.html

If you do, you'll have to start the backup program manually, as per the faq at
http://www.goclickfree.com/clickfree_hd.php
under the "nothing happens. How can I get it to work?" question.

You really should disable autorun.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

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On 02/02/2009 05:47 PM, Heather sent:
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Thank you for the update Heather.  You probably just helped to sell a
few more units for those clickfree folks.

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If your internet connection is down, during a power outage or disaster,
and you need to access a backup, to bring a failed computer back online,
you won't have access to the files.

You would be better served by getting a couple USB drives for a backup
and a fire safe (since you should already have a fire safe for your
critical documents) and store the off-line USB drive in the safe.

This would give you access to your backups at any time and is a lot
cheaper than an unknown remote service.

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My image files are on a USB harddrive powered by the laptop's USB
port(s) - in case the satellites hit the power plant. My regular backups
would require power in order to restore my system. Both are kept as
current as I feel comfortable with considering what goes up must come
down and there are in excess of 9000 (2200 tons) falling as we speak.



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Internet service is down more than Power service, and a failed drive can
be a problem for many people.

I was just suggesting that a local backup is better than a remote-only
backup solution as you may not be able to reach the remote backup in the
event of a disaster problem.

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Absolutely, different methods with the resulting backup data in different
locations (and accessible when needed) is the point here. I am agreeing
with you. I just added the laptop powered USB backup because of the
possibility of a prolonged 'power outage or disaster' you mentioned.

Recent ice storms brought this possibility home to many people.



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They best solution is to do both local and remote backups.

Steve

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Heather wrote:
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I see that Clickfree "automatically finds data..." Does this mean that
it searches all partitions, or is it one of those programs that assumes
everything is on One Huge Partition? In my experience, "automatic XYZ"
is always limited by the imagination of whoever designed the product --
and we all have limited imaginations.... ;-)

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Hi Wolf....(Toronto?)

I checked the info on the Clickfree site and you can set it to backup
whatever drive you wish.  As I only have One Huge Partition, that was
not a problem!!  8-))

quote......
Users can set specific directories to be searched or set certain
directories and its contents to be completely backed up (regardless of
file types) that are not set by default by our Clickfree application.
unquote.....

Cheers.....Heather



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I'll vouch for ClickFree too, got mine on QVC:

http://www.qvc.com/qic/qvcapp.aspx/view.2/app.detail/params.item.E06315.desc.ClickFree-Automatic-Backup-320GB-External-Hard-Drive-USBCable


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On 02/01/2009 08:07 PM, FERRANTE sent:
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For the money you would spend on an on-line backup service, you could
purchase an impressive external HDD of your very own.  USB or Ethernet
based.

Of those online backup services I was compelled to use, I found them
extremely slow to return our files and unresponsive when the backup
process had failed.  Ultimately we put together our own system within
our organization.

Full hard disk encryption will protect you from theft of your data.
If the loss of your backups is that much of a concern, then burn some of
your backups onto DVDs or CDs as well as writing to your ext HDD.

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On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 22:07:52 -0600, FERRANTE

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I use backup to external HD once a day. The backup software only
copies files that have changed. The first run takes ages but after
that the daily backup is very fast.

My "must not lose" data files are zipped and sent to two of my web
sites every night. One site is in England and the other is in America
so apart from world shattering disasters they are safe.

A ghost of the whole lot is copied to a DVD once a week.

Paranoid or what?

Steve

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On Mon, 02 Feb 2009 10:55:09 +0000, Stephen Wolstenholme

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Which software do you use?

Mark
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On Mon, 02 Feb 2009 21:19:51 -0600, FERRANTE

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I use backup software that was written by a colleague for the company
we both worked for.

Steve

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If you are comfortable with your data out there where id could be available
for anyone so be it.
Get a separate hard drive and a good backup program like Ghost and let it
back up the drive automatically. I have it set up to do a full backup once a
month and incremental backup every week. It can be set to backup as often as
you want. To restore is merely booting the CD and selecting the backup you
want restored and it will restore the disk to where it was at the last
backup. You can also back up to CD's if desired but for most people it takes
too many disks. If desired you can copy the backup to another drive for a
second backup. Use a USB drive and you have a removable backup that can be
stored offsite if desired.


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Hello,
  I see you recommend Ghost and I will check that out. I thought about
getting this and I would appreciate it if you more learned people
would check this out and tell me what you think about it based on the
advertisement, please:

http://www.cyberscrub.com/products/backup /

Also, I have another question. Say you do an initial backup and then
down the road you decide to delete say music or pics off your computer
as you no longer what them. Will they remain on the backup or how does
that work? How will the backup software know that the deletion was
intentional and not an accident and erase it as well?

Thanks,
Mark

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