NOD32---Do I *really* have to pay for it on my notebook too?

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I'm a little bugged by the current licensing schemes, although I do
understand the reasoning (I guess), having produced software for over 20
years.

But if I purchase NOD32 for my desktop, it seems a little silly to me to
have to pay for an additional license for my notebook.  I'm still only 1
"user"---even though there are are two machines being protected.

(......)----I haven't decided on the morals on this yet.

Do they protect against unlicensed 2nd copies?  I'm behind a NAT server.
BTW, I'm not convinced of this yet---it's very likely I'll just pay the 2nd
fee anyway, or maybe just run AVG or something "on demand" on the notebook,
but it all seems a little goofy that they should charge just for it to "sit"
on another machine that I use.

Thanks

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Re: NOD32---Do I *really* have to pay for it on my notebook too?

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Thomas G. Marshall wrote:

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Yes they do. It is trivial to see that a NOD32 install on license "x" is
always downloading every update twice!


Adam Piggott, Proprietor, Proactive Services (Computing).
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Re: NOD32---Do I *really* have to pay for it on my notebook too?

'Adam Piggot' wrote:
| Yes they do. It is trivial to see that a NOD32 install on license "x" is
| always downloading every update twice!

Is 'trivial to see' the same as established fact?
There are anti-malware programs with licenses that don't check to see if a
new download has already been installed, and will quite merrily install the
same update several times a day.

Phil Weldon

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| > Do they protect against unlicensed 2nd copies?  I'm behind a NAT server.
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| Yes they do. It is trivial to see that a NOD32 install on license "x" is
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LOL that is funny. I'm glad that ewido is not doing such crap. :P

I know that there are a lot of companies allow to use a single license
on 2-3 computers, even if it is like that I cannot say if Eset allows
that too.

Regards,
Vinzenz

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Phil Weldon wrote:
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As they should, just in case of any of a large number of problems
ranging from a simple interrupted download, through assorted corrupted
files, to a complete reinstall of the OS.

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Offbreed wrote:
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I'm sure none of those problems would result in the same update packages
being requested every day, every time they update. Couple that with
ThreatSense statistics being sent that mismatch and it's unlikely you'll
hit an innocent customer experiencing problems.
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Re: NOD32---Do I *really* have to pay for it on my notebook too?


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Thomas,

You are absolutely right.  This sort of double charging nonsense appears in
other industries as well.

Just last week I put new tires on my Infiniti, and they would not also give me
four more for my Acura.  Sure
it's for two machines, but I'm only one driver.  Like you said, it seems goofy
that I should be charged for
them just to sit on another machine while I'm not using it.

What I can't understand is why you haven't decided on the morality of this yet.
Isn't it perfectly clear that
you have the same right to use a second copy without paying as do I to take the
other four tires I need after
they lock-up for the night?  Do you think they might protect against this?  Do
you think that has anything to
do with whether it is right or wrong?

You've developed software for over twenty years, right?  I'm certain you are
fair enough to understand why you
don't need to be paid for your work.  You might owe some refunds.  Hell, you
might even want to reimburse
those who copied your work for the cost of the blank CDs they used.

Anything else we can help you figure out?


Len Agoado
agoado@msn.com









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I understand your point, but your tone is unacceptable.  Grow up.

<PLONK>




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"Thomas G. Marshall"  wrote:
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A little thin-skinned to be venturing out into big bad Usenet alone, but at
least you got the point.

BTW, the "Grow up." remark certainly adds an air of mature credibility to
your larcenous soul searching.

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Oh, how I will toss and turn tonight.


Len Agoado
agoado@msn.com



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Leonard Agoado said something like:
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I have thousands of posts in usenet mostly comp.lang.java.*, helping people,
since 1995.  Hardly thin-skinned; I've seen nearly all manner of aberrant
behavior like yours.  I'm just not in the mood for your childish posturing.

...[snip]...


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Glad you got the point then.

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You seemed to care enough to post using a different email address to get
around my killfile.  Seems you are tossing and turning after all.  Perhaps
the "Grow up" remark I made earlier could actually help you some if you
followed it as advice.

Got another email address to use this time?

<PLONK>



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"It's easier to be terrified by an enemy you admire."
-Thufir Hawat, Mentat and Master of Assassins to House Atreides



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"Thomas G. Marshall" wrote

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Thomas,

    That you think my behaviour is aberrant speaks volumes about your
perception.  In my world a thief gets called a thief, and a whiney prick
gets called a whiney prick.  You now seem to be both.  I don't give a rat's
ass if you clipped Babbage's toenails while helping him understand how a
loom works.  If you have yet to feel in the mood for being called a whiney
prick, either your behaviour is better in comp.lang.java.* or you hear only
what you want to hear.  I hope it's the former.


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    This usually comes as a surprise to people that think as you; but most
everybody else's actions are probably unrelated to, nor concerned with, you,
your killfilter, or what you think.  I post from multiple locations and
multiple addresses based on my own circumstances at any given moment.  I
suspect that most others go about their business with a similar disinterest
in your affairs.


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    The phrases "plonk" and "grow up" seem to be a constant in your
postings, probably have them in auto-text.  I don't care if you plonk me; I
don't care if you need to tell others to grow up.  You do these things for
your own reasons, most of which are probably more transparent to everyone
else than you suspect.  More's the pity for you that you fail to see it.
Nobody here went to search you out, you posted your moral equivocating here
first, and you got your answers.  I also don't care if you rip of NOD.  If
you have to worry that they'll check, that's usually a clue that your action
is questionable.  That you didn't like the answers you got is
understandable.   That you need to lash out because you didn't like the
answers speaks volumes about your concern with growing up.  This group has a
lot of intelligent and knowledgeable people that give a lot to help others.
To the degree that I need to grow up, I think I am better served by their
example than your face-saving.


Leonard Agoado
agoado@msn.com



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Thomas G. Marshall wrote:

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I have a car for normal use and a truck for moving large loads, and both
have to registered and both have to be insured, even though I can only
drive one at a time.

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Where there is one person involved, the additional /usage/ insurance on the
2nd car is near-0 because indeed you can drive only one at a time.  It's the
other insurance that is incremental.  Talk to your insurance agent, he'll
tell you the same thing he told me.

The notebook is only protected for things that happen while it is on, and
that is only when I'm using it and not using the desktop.

Again, as I've said, I'm not convinced of this position.

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succeed in my lifetime goal of creating a signature
that ends with the word "blarphoogy".



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On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:25:31 GMT, "Thomas G. Marshall"

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It doesn't matter whether you're convinced or not. Eset states that
you need 2 licenses if you're protecting 2 computers. Period.

If you don't agree, then you are free to use some other product.

It's their product, their license, and their terms. You either deal
with that or you go elsewhere.

It's not open for discussion.



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Or I circumvent it if possible.  And how do I know if it is possible?  I ask
here.  Seems like a discussion to me.  The entire point here was to find out
if the terms were able to be bypassed, or did you not read any of this?

Whether or not you agree it is the /right/ thing to do, at least have the
forethought to consider that the license might be only lightly enforced.
Regardless of whether you think it's right to do or not, you cannot say to
me "It doesn't matter whether you're convinced or not" without expecting me
to laugh at you.

In *any* case, I have decided that it is not a good thing to do, and have
purchased a dual license for home, and am more or less ok with that.







--
"It's easier to be terrified by an enemy you admire."
-Thufir Hawat, Mentat and Master of Assassins to House Atreides



Re: NOD32---FUNNY...

Funny (not humorous) that there is so much agonizing about this while
many think nothing of re-installing an older Norton Antivirus to get
another year's updates. Is it less wrong to steal from Symantec than
from Eset?


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It's wrong either way, and it's why we are experiencing more active DRM
methods.



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C'mon folks.......it is  obvious to any honest-hearted reasonably
intelligent PC consumer that the so-called "licensing" scams by ESET and
others are simply a ploy to "grab more money" under the guise of
"intellectual property rights".  Since most homes have at -least 2 PC's /
notebooks/ etc. these days it is clearly a $$$ grab to insist a separate and
equal value "license"
for every installation.

Moreover this whole thing could be put to bed if one would just install AVG
Free antivirus.  That effectively gives one AV service and also boycotts
ESET..

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Charlie

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Is ESET really that strong a presence in the AV world compared to NAV?  I've
heard that MacAfee has dropped off the radar screen for some reason ,
but it was my understanding that NOD32 was still a newcomer.  No?



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the minute something is charged to my account?



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Thomas G. Marshall wrote:
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