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Re: Microsoft releases VML fix for Windows 98

Dan wrote:
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Actually, it is.
Were you a victim?
Do you know anyone who was a victim?



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| Actually, it is.
| Were you a victim?
| Do you know anyone who was a victim?
|

I know victims.  It is NOT irrelevant.  This is a IE problem, not an OS problem.
Microsoft has decided to cut-off support for Win9x/ME.  However that does NOT
make Win9x/ME
users less vulnerable.  If one visits a VMFill Exploit based web site, they can
be infected
in seconds and since many of the sites are using NEW malware, their respective
AV software
may not detect tghe malware.  As of my last test, the most commonly used
freebies didn't
recognize an HTML file known to use the VMFill Exploit.  Thus a Win98 user using
AVG has a
strong possibility of being infected.

This thread is very rellevant !

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Re: Microsoft releases VML fix for Windows 98

David H. Lipman wrote:
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You get what you pay for.



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| You get what you pay for.

Well AntiVir does OK on the file I submitted.

AVG and Avast -- still don't get it !

I keep saying, of the freebies, AntiVir is better !

Not listed in the below Virus Total report is Trend Micro:
l00p.html.1 [EXPL_EXECOD.A]



Complete scanning result of "l00p.html.1", processed in VirusTotal at 09/28/2006
04:26:28
(CET).

[ file data ]
* name: l00p.html.1
* size: 86923
* md5.: 66ddd835cb6a6ab4d561c0cbd9c8450a
* sha1: 65c76f6b3a6853527ee60ee004234d43c2d3bcb4

[ scan result ]
AntiVir 7.2.0.18/20060927 found [HTML/Dldr.Go.MG.3.B]
Authentium 4.93.8/20060928 found [HTML/VMLFill@expl]
Avast 4.7.892.0/20060927 found nothing
AVG 386/20060927 found nothing
BitDefender 7.2/20060928 found [Exploit.HTML.Execod.A]
CAT-QuickHeal 8.00/20060927 found [CVE-2006-4868]
ClamAV devel-20060426/20060927 found nothing
DrWeb 4.33/20060927 found [Exploit.VMLFill]
eTrust-InoculateIT 23.73.7/20060928 found [JScript/Veemyfull!exploit!Trojan]
eTrust-Vet 30.3.3103/20060927 found [JS/Veemyfull!exploit]
Ewido 4.0/20060927 found [Not-A-Virus.Exploit.HTML.VML.d]
F-Prot 3.16f/20060928 found [HTML/VMLFill@expl]
F-Prot4 4.2.1.29/20060928 found [HTML/VMLFill@ex]
Fortinet 2.82.0.0/20060927 found [HTML/MS06.XMLNS!exploit]
Ikarus 0.2.65.0/20060928 found [Exploit.HTML.Execod.A]
Kaspersky 4.0.2.24/20060928 found [Exploit.HTML.VML.d]
McAfee 4861/20060927 found [Exploit-VMLFill]
Microsoft 1.1603/20060928 found [Exploit:HTML/Levem.C]
NOD32v2 1.1780/20060927 found [HTML/Exploit.VMLFill]
Norman 5.80.02/20060927 found [JS/VMLexploit]
Panda 9.0.0.4/20060927 found [Exploit/VML.A]
Sophos 4.10.0/20060928 found nothing
Symantec 8.0/20060928 found [Bloodhound.Exploit.78]
TheHacker 6.0.1.085/20060928 found [Trojan/Exploit.VML]
UNA 1.83/20060927 found nothing
VBA32 3.11.1/20060927 found nothing
VirusBuster 4.3.7:9/20060927 found [JS.ExpDL.A]



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Re: Microsoft releases VML fix for Windows 98

David H. Lipman wrote:
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Totally agree.

AVG has always been a bit of a joke... Avast swings from good to bad.

The list os scan results is a good reason I started using NOD32 years ago...
and it contributes to why I have never been infected in spite of attempts
made. Being careful and aware are still the best tools though.


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Re: Microsoft releases VML fix for Windows 98

chrisv wrote:
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I have heard a lot about Nod32 and will have to check it out someday.

Re: Microsoft releases VML fix for Windows 98

David H. Lipman wrote:
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Thanks for the post, David.  I used to use AntiVir but I gave it up and
moved to AVG when AntiVir had some problems on my system.  The one thing
I really like about AVG is how it scans my 98SE part of my machine for
viruses while Windows 98SE is still loading.

Re: Microsoft releases VML fix for Windows 98

chrisv wrote:

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Which means XP users back between 2002 to 2004 got screwed.

Win-98 was a much better bang-for-the-buck compared to XP.

Arguably it still is.

Wait until Microsoft owns your desktop with Vista, with it's orwellian
media rights management infrastructure.

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| chrisv wrote:

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| Which means XP users back between 2002 to 2004 got screwed.

| Win-98 was a much better bang-for-the-buck compared to XP.

| Arguably it still is.

| Wait until Microsoft owns your desktop with Vista, with it's orwellian
| media rights management infrastructure.

That is NOT true !

Win9x/ME is based upon a 16bit memory pool.  It uses up that memory pool quite
quickly.
You can add more physical RAM but it won't make a difference to that memory pool.

NT Based OS' have a completely different memory model.  When you take inio
account;  NTFS,
permissions, memory pools, PNP, uPNP, etc, WinXP has greater bang fo the buck.

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Re: Microsoft releases VML fix for Windows 98

"David H. Lipman" wrote:

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Win 98 has 5 heaps (which collectively are called "resources"), only 2
of which are 16-bit, and none of them really impact or limit system
functionality.  That wasn't necessarily true back when the typical
Win-98 user ran a lot of 16-bit apps, but interestingly as time went
on and users migrated to 32-bit apps these resource limitations
essentially went away.

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I've been running and administering Win-98 systems since Win-98se both
at home and in a small corporate environment.  I've transiently seen
systems showing "low resource" messages, but never on a continuous
basis, and rarely to the point where any system has become unusable.
And all that was pre-2002 - nothing since.

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And when NTFS crashes, you've got no tools to recover the disk.

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the bane of a small office or home use

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All available with 98.

You are, of course, aware of the security nightmare with uPNP - yes?

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XP has greater vulnerability-for-the buck.

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98 Guy wrote:
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Which *5* heaps?     Can you specify them - by name?



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"Bill in Co." wrote:
 
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16-bit User heap
32-bit User window heap
32-bit User menu heap
16-bit GDI heap
32-bit GDI heap

The above 2 16-bit resource heaps are the cause of "insufficient
resource" messages.  They are for compatibility with Win-95, Win 3.x,
and DOS applications.  In time, as more of those apps were abandoned
and replaced with 32-bit applications, Win-98 users encountered fewer
and fewer insufficient resource situations.  I haven't seen an
insufficient resource message in at least 4 or 5 years.

But Win-98 haters will continue to bash Win-98 because of the
insufficient resource condition that resulted because of backwards
compatibility with 16-bit apps.  It's long since been a bogus
argument.

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Where are those 5 documented?    Do you happen to have a web reference
handy?

98 Guy wrote:
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Re: Microsoft releases VML fix for Windows 98

98 Guy wrote:
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Exactly, 98 Guy and a lot of the early problems in 98 Second Edition
were in fact due to poorly written software drivers for 98SE.
Apparently, other companies are ignoring Microsoft's end of support for
98 Second Edition and continuing to support it in their hardware.  A
good example is Logitech that has come out with a laser mouse that is
supported in 98SE according to a recent poster in this newsgroup.

Re: Microsoft releases VML fix for Windows 98

98 Guy wrote:
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Exactly, 98 Guy.  Windows XP Professional offers bells and whistles.  It
can run my Ipod Mini which I greatly appreciate.  I have Office XP
loaded on the XP Pro. side since so many vulnerabilities seem to hit
Office that I concluded that it made more sense to put a vulnerable
program like Office XP on the XP Professional side which was more
vulnerable to attack than the 98 Second Edition side.  Windows 98 Second
Edition is not as pretty as XP and I will give you that and 98 Second
Edition does not currently support some of the newer hardware like PCI
Express but in my opinion and if you configure 98 Second Edition right
then you have the best darn operating system that Microsoft has produced.
Windows Vista has potential.  It runs the Internet very fast on my
machine where I am testing it.  It glass "Aero" interface is very nice,
imo.  It has lots of nice things to offer and may lead to XP's early
demise.  We shall just have to see.

Re: Microsoft releases VML fix for Windows 98

David H. Lipman wrote:
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The problem with XP is the 100% CPU cycle issue that has not been
patched yet by Microsoft.  Windows 98 Second Edition is extremely stable
on my computer and I have gotten down to 6% system resources without
noticing anything but a general slowdown that led me to check my system
resources and this 98SE has a NAT router for protection as well as Zone
Alarm Professional as a software firewall backup for crackers who
overcome the first line of defense.

Re: Microsoft releases VML fix for Windows 98

98 Guy wrote:
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No argument. XP was probably the most fragile OS ever. SP1 fixed most of the
stability problems though. I was an early implementer... painful!

But I was refering to AVG. It has always been the King of False Positives
while missing real viruses.

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It will have to offer more than what I know so far to get me to install
Vista. There's a good chance that you'll have to upgrade most, it not all of
your apps because of that media rights stuff.



Re: Microsoft releases VML fix for Windows 98

chrisv wrote:
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Actually, Vista is running well on my custom built machine that is
running 98SE well -- XP Pro. fairly well and Windows Vista as well as
can be expected from a beta.  I did not realize so many people thought
badly of AVG.

Re: Microsoft releases VML fix for Windows 98

98 Guy wrote:
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Windows Vista is not that bad.  The real deal here is that Microsoft
needs to provide a real solution for 98SE users that will allow them to
run their older programs on their older computers with the convenience
of having an operating system that is supported by a great company like
Microsoft.

Re: Microsoft releases VML fix for Windows 98

David H. Lipman wrote:
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Thank you David and I agree with you completely on the point of
relevance of this thread.

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