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Re: Microsoft releases VML fix for Windows 98

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| PCR wrote:
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| > Same here in IE6 SP1. It's just a wallpaper, nothing else. But he =
didn't
| > post that. He posted...
| > http://cquirke.mvps.org/bexp1.htm
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| Hi PCR, actually as you can see I only posted
|  http://rdchauvin.com/W98xIE6xBug.htm
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| Rick

Oops, I copied the wrong one! Yours should be linked in cquirke's. Both =
are a good write-up on it!

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PCR wrote:
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Yes thanks PCR, and also my webpage goes even further than talking to offer
a download of easy use zereobyte files for proof of testing the anomaly
out, along with a download of the v5 dlls with a unique dllswap dos method
that when needed makes swapping back and forth between the v5 & 6 dll
versions as simple as pressing 5 or 6 on the keyboard.. ..which I still use
to this day, and actually truth be known I now just keep the 5 dlls in
place since it works so well compared to the alternative.

Yes I agree Chris should link me too, even today..  ..although at this
point in time it is true that some of us also double/triple boot
W98SE/W2K/WXP, but most just have moved on to W2K or WXP - which I have and
love them all and are excellent OS's I would not be without; which for the
9x diehards like us - the 9x classic look with the ease to make 2K & XP
look just like the GUI and Desktop of 9x - actually sometimes at first
glance I forget which one I'm booted to.

Rick



Re: Microsoft releases VML fix for Windows 98

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| PCR wrote:
| >|
| >|
| >| PCR wrote:
| >|
| >| [....]
| >|
| >| > Same here in IE6 SP1. It's just a wallpaper, nothing else. But he
| >| > didn't post that. He posted...
| >| > http://cquirke.mvps.org/bexp1.htm
| >|
| >| Hi PCR, actually as you can see I only posted
| >|  http://rdchauvin.com/W98xIE6xBug.htm
| >|
| >| Rick
| >
| > Oops, I copied the wrong one! Yours should be linked in cquirke's.
Both
| > are a good write-up on it!
|
| Yes thanks PCR, and also my webpage goes even further than talking to
offer
| a download of easy use zereobyte files for proof of testing the
anomaly
| out, along with a download of the v5 dlls with a unique dllswap dos
method
| that when needed makes swapping back and forth between the v5 & 6 dll
| versions as simple as pressing 5 or 6 on the keyboard.. ..which I
still use
| to this day, and actually truth be known I now just keep the 5 dlls in
| place since it works so well compared to the alternative.

Absolutely, you do well with that! I rarely encounter the problem,
because rarely do I delete/copy that many files in Explorer in one
session. But I admit I did see it recently when backing up My
Documents... &, though it is 10 MB, it only has 671 files in 10 folders!
Not sure, maybe I did My Downloads first (the effect is cumulative per
Windows session as you know/discovered) of... 254 MB but only 229 files
in 22 folders. Damn, that still doesn't sound enough to have
legitimately caused it-- JUST 900 files at most!

When it happens, I always have a low &/or out of resources warning
hiding in the background. Did you put that on your site?

| Yes I agree Chris should link me too, even today..  ..although at this
| point in time it is true that some of us also double/triple boot
| W98SE/W2K/WXP, but most just have moved on to W2K or WXP - which I
have and
| love them all and are excellent OS's I would not be without; which for
the
| 9x diehards like us - the 9x classic look with the ease to make 2K &
XP
| look just like the GUI and Desktop of 9x - actually sometimes at first
| glance I forget which one I'm booted to.



| Rick
|
|



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PCR wrote:
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No I had not specifically mentioned that one feature, but yes on ocassion
I've seen it do exactly what you mean.

Rick










Re: Microsoft releases VML fix for Windows 98

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| PCR wrote:
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| >|
| >| PCR wrote:
| >| >|
| >| >|
| >| >| PCR wrote:
| >| >|
| >| >| [....]
| >| >|
| >| >| > Same here in IE6 SP1. It's just a wallpaper, nothing else. But
he
| >| >| > didn't post that. He posted...
| >| >| > http://cquirke.mvps.org/bexp1.htm
| >| >|
| >| >| Hi PCR, actually as you can see I only posted
| >| >|  http://rdchauvin.com/W98xIE6xBug.htm
| >| >|
| >| >| Rick
| >| >
| >| > Oops, I copied the wrong one! Yours should be linked in
cquirke's.
| > Both
| >| > are a good write-up on it!
| >|
| >| Yes thanks PCR, and also my webpage goes even further than talking
to
| > offer
| >| a download of easy use zereobyte files for proof of testing the
| > anomaly
| >| out, along with a download of the v5 dlls with a unique dllswap dos
| > method
| >| that when needed makes swapping back and forth between the v5 & 6
dll
| >| versions as simple as pressing 5 or 6 on the keyboard.. ..which I
| > still use
| >| to this day, and actually truth be known I now just keep the 5 dlls
in
| >| place since it works so well compared to the alternative.
| >
| > Absolutely, you do well with that! I rarely encounter the problem,
| > because rarely do I delete/copy that many files in Explorer in one
| > session. But I admit I did see it recently when backing up My
| > Documents... &, though it is 10 MB, it only has 671 files in 10
folders!
| > Not sure, maybe I did My Downloads first (the effect is cumulative
per
| > Windows session as you know/discovered) of... 254 MB but only 229
files
| > in 22 folders. Damn, that still doesn't sound enough to have
| > legitimately caused it-- JUST 900 files at most!
| >
| > When it happens, I always have a low &/or out of resources warning
| > hiding in the background. Did you put that on your site?
|
| No I had not specifically mentioned that one feature, but yes on
ocassion
| I've seen it do exactly what you mean.
|
| Rick

OK. I'm still 100% behind you, cquirke, & Colorado. On the day you-all
decide to storm the walls at Redmond, I will be your lookout across the
street for sure!



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cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user) wrote:
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The link I gave was:
 http://rdchauvin.com/W98xIE6xBug.htm
Purposefully there is really no public way to go forward or backward Chris,
I did not make my .com or .net of my domain to be workable in that way,
only because my site is more of a private website as compared to other tech
websites like yours Chris meant for the world; mine is really for family
usage with family stuff, linking many things, and I host other family
members websites off of mine too, but since I did put up a few very
'simple' pages with tech write-ups of different issues of 9x interest to
me, for instance like http://rdchauvin.com/W98xSlowOpeningFolders.htm etc,
...and so those pages are fixed and not meant to work there way to my other
pages, iow that front index page for my .com & .net is just a public filler
is all; afterall youall don't really want to see pictures of my wife and
family stuff, and so that's why it's like that.

Chris if you want to link just my W98xIE6xBug.htm page above to yours then
that's great, since I did a lot of testing on that scenario and feel it
supports and adds to the subject of your (bexp1.htm) and also franks link
about it very well.  You don't have to change your page at all except to
add my link in a new line after Franks is all.

thanks,
Rick



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Re: Microsoft releases VML fix for Windows 98

cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user) wrote:
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Perhaps, I can add my voice to this issue and it might just work.  Keep
praying and keep those fingers crossed.  <grin>

--
Dan W.

Computer User

Re: Microsoft releases VML fix for Windows 98

On Sun, 1 Oct 2006 14:58:51 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune"

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That's me to a T, as well...

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True; me too.  It's just that I don't accept MS duhfaults as an
acceptable "known state".

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What I've done, is (as far as I know how) streamline the process of
custom settings etc. so that they can be applied more easily, and
consistently.  That sets a higher baseline; for example, I know data
will be unaffected by catastropies in C:, I know I have automatic data
and registry backups, I know Recovery Console will actually recover
things (after the relevant Set commands) etc.

I've had a wide range of harder defaults in place since the month XP
came out, whereas it took years until SP2 came out before MS
desfaulted the firewall to On.  They still haven't stopped
auto-restarting on system errors, hiding file name extensions, using
massive web caches for IE, waving hidden admin shares, etc.

Known states are known to malware, too.

There's one downside though; more work if ever one has to "just"
rebuild - or accept Duhfaults of the Great Unwashed as the new
standard of darkness, and wonder why everything rots so fast.



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Re: Microsoft releases VML fix for Windows 98

cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user) wrote:
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It is amusing to me now that I work on computers so much that the thrill
of solving the issue gives me a natural high.  <endorphin kick perhaps?>
  However, once the machine works well again then it bores me and onto
the next compromised machine.  The computer almost seems to know when a
knowledgeable user is there since it stops acting stupid usually but I
am probably just giving personification to these complex machines. <grin>

--
Dan W.

Computer User

Re: Microsoft releases VML fix for Windows 98

Alas for me, when I refer to the systems I'm "responsible for", that means
that I usually was the one who set them up, either configuring new from the
factory or building/rebuilding from scratch, including owner training, they
give their owners so little trouble that I'm seldom called back -- until the
owner hands it down to husband or friend, etc., and I'm called in to rebuild
it and set up the new one, which doesn't happen that often, either.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User

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Re: Microsoft releases VML fix for Windows 98

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
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Thanks for the information, Gary and do you think it might switch or add
security to your line of work to spice things up in your life or are you
just too busy?

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Dan W.

Computer User

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My brain can't hold on to the multitude of minutiae that is required for
that kind of activity, Dan. Not since 3 years ago when whatever it is that
ails me so much set in. Now, when I work on a machine, even my own, I am
regularly reteaching myself most of what I should already know. One of the
reasons I still participate in these groups... I'm perpetually reminded of
things I should already know, or prompted to look them up -- again and again
and again and....

--

Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

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Gary S. Terhune wrote:
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Man, that really sucks and your story touches my heart.  I am a cancer
survivor but it fortunately never affected my brain and I am very
thankful to God for that.  I hope and really do pray that a miracle
happens with you that you can remember well again.  Perhaps some advance
in science can help you and/or the power of prayer.  :-<

--
Dan W.

Computer User

Re: Microsoft releases VML fix for Windows 98

I don't know your age, but I have the same problem and I just assume it's
due to working on 67 years, and just hope it doesn't get much worse very
much faster.. :-)

Joe
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jt3 wrote:
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To have all your precious memories, just sucked away.  Oww, very
troubling indeed and I hope Science will be able to fix this soon for
people.

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Dan W.

Computer User

Re: Microsoft releases VML fix for Windows 98

I'm only 52, but I've lived, shall we say, an accelerated lifestyle, <s>.
Even as early as ten years ago, my mind had a tendency to shed "unimportant"
data a lot more than previously. But it's only since this epilepsy(?)
started that large chunks of stuff just disappears and day-to-day short-term
memory has suffered as well. While the most important thing is to stop the
syncopic episodes (currently trying Neurontin), I don't think I'll ever
recover a lot of the events from the last ten years. Wife loves it -- she
gets to tell all the stories of how we met, our marriage eight years ago and
lots of our life together her way, and I can't argue, <g>.

--

Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

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 Well there goes all the arguments...

 I suppose they tried Dilatin (is that how its spelled), my brother (he had
many other issues) suffered from that and this medicine was used.

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MEB
_______________

| I'm only 52, but I've lived, shall we say, an accelerated lifestyle, <s>.
| Even as early as ten years ago, my mind had a tendency to shed
"unimportant"
| data a lot more than previously. But it's only since this epilepsy(?)
| started that large chunks of stuff just disappears and day-to-day
short-term
| memory has suffered as well. While the most important thing is to stop the
| syncopic episodes (currently trying Neurontin), I don't think I'll ever
| recover a lot of the events from the last ten years. Wife loves it -- she
| gets to tell all the stories of how we met, our marriage eight years ago
and
| lots of our life together her way, and I can't argue, <g>.
|
| --
|
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
| http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
| http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
|
| >I don't know your age, but I have the same problem and I just assume it's
| > due to working on 67 years, and just hope it doesn't get much worse very
| > much faster.. :-)
| >
| > Joe
| >> My brain can't hold on to the multitude of minutiae that is required
for
| >> that kind of activity, Dan. Not since 3 years ago when whatever it is
| >> that
| >> ails me so much set in. Now, when I work on a machine, even my own, I
am
| >> regularly reteaching myself most of what I should already know. One of
| >> the
| >> reasons I still participate in these groups... I'm perpetually reminded
| >> of
| >> things I should already know, or prompted to look them up -- again and
| > again
| >> and again and....
|
|



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FWIW, I think we all get there--just trying to keep the bus from
accelerating down the slope just a little faster . . .
:-|
Hope you find the right meds--

Joe
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jt3 wrote:
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The sad state is all meds. have side effects.  I am struggling with high
chelestroal currently despite changes in diet and exercise and weight
lose.  I think it must be genetic and I can get my good cholesterol fine
but the LDL is still high too.  However, my blood pressure and the rest
of my health is great except higher risk of infection since I have no
spleen due to having lost it when I had radiation and then later
chemotherapy for cancer. (Hodgkin's Disease)  I lost my spleen since the
surgeons removed it the first time to see what treatment to give me --
radiation and that ended up failing -- I knew I was not better and went
psychotic since I could not deal with the doctors not believing me on
this --- went on medication to calm down that had to be forcibly given
to me by my mom and dad and brother and sister --- I have all the
memories thankfully -- despite the pain it was worth it and I remember
calling myself Alius and feeling demon possessed and that is why I grew
in faith in the Lord God

Okay, I digress and sorry but I needed to show that my health is not all
dandy either --- although I am still somewhat young -- but sometimes I
feel 10 inside and other times 77 --- I am in between these ages of course

Thank you for all your research on unzipping the 2000 patches on this --
98 guy and most of us really appreciate it but understand that Microsoft
is not bad and gets a bad rap from many people --- it just is slightly
misguided --- if it really wanted to suppress us then why do you think
Microsoft would host this newsgroup and then have security blogs on the
work that we are doing to patch Windows 98 Second Edition -- component
Internet Explorer -- I feel it is in Microsoft's best interest to retain
us security professionals and keep us from bolting to Apple or Linux.
Microsoft still has my support but I will use what I need to get the job
done and that is why I am considering adding Linux to this machine and
may end up buying an Apple Laptop in the future so I can get a broad
spectrum of the field and best meet my technology needs by picking and
choosing among the industry.

--
Dan W.

Computer User

Re: Microsoft releases VML fix for Windows 98

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
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No argument there.  The people who installed XP Professional just used
all the defaults and now I have to mop up all the issues.  Gee Whiz!

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