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David H. Lipman wrote:
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Or take your business elsewhere!

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G. Morgan wrote:
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I wasn't talking about MBAM in particular, just that the developers of
legit software that depends upon stealth probably have a claim against
programs that malign their software by detecting it as *malware*.

It's not Big Brother, it's just commercialism and our legal system at work.

I'm still waiting for fights about how some antimalware software
installation programs convince the user that other software has to be
removed even though there might not even be any actual conflict issues
warranting their removal.

As a technician, maybe they could give you a definition set not meant
for public consumption. ISTR an AV vendor that had a completely
different set of definitions for PUPs for those requiring them.

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Ask malwarebytes. Continuing down this path so publically is going to
ruffle some feathers. :)


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Character is doing the right thing when nobody's looking. There are too
many people who think that the only thing that's right is to get by, and
the only thing that's wrong is to get caught. - J.C. Watts

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Dustin wrote:

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Good.  Let's call them out and ask why they 'sell out' to bigger
pockets.


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You do that and report back with the info.



Good.  Let's call them out and ask why they 'sell out' to bigger
pockets.


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Shadow wrote:

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Exactly.  And as a technician, right now, the only way to be 100% sure
is to flatten and rebuild.  If I can't trust the tool to tell me what's
going on (with admin rights), why bother?


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David H. Lipman wrote:
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IIRC the Friendgreet worm was classified as malware despite the
Essentially Useless License Agreement laying out the actions it takes.

I know, it's not the same thing. :o)

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| David H. Lipman wrote:
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|>>>>  IMO, such a program loses all of its claim to legitimacy if it offers
a
|>>>>  way to install it surreptitiously. Both keyloggers and RATs are
|>>>>  legitimate programs when installed with the administrators blessing.
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| IIRC the Friendgreet worm was classified as malware despite the
| Essentially Useless License Agreement laying out the actions it takes.
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| I know, it's not the same thing. :o)


What I wrote was piss poor.

There are legitimate keyloggers.  If the product does not surreptitiously
install and it has a EULA that covers the actions it takes then it is not
malwware.

Would have been better.


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Dave
Multi-AV Scanning Tool - http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk
http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp


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David H. Lipman wrote:
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Sure, but I knew what you meant anyway.


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David H. Lipman wrote:

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What a wonderful way to explain the piss-poor performance of MBAM and
key loggers.  So, if a user is tricked into clicking-thru a ELUA it's
just fine by them?

I'm not talking about in a corporate environment, they have internal
techs.  I'm talking about the girlfriend/boyfriend buying something like
Spector to spy.  How can I be sure it does not have it loaded?  I can't
if no company has the balls to detect it.


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Depends on the person(s) writing the defs at the time.
 
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This is an easy one, lol. Fact is, you cant be sure. Commercial keylogging
detection is frowned upon.

You should ask malwarebytes themselves tho; instead of being so American
and asking in public. Companies really don't like that.


--
Character is doing the right thing when nobody's looking. There are too
many people who think that the only thing that's right is to get by, and
the only thing that's wrong is to get caught. - J.C. Watts

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Dustin wrote:
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Companies that can't stand public scrutiny need to go out of business.

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| Dustin wrote:
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| Companies that can't stand public scrutiny need to go out of business.

Definitely!

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Dave
Multi-AV Scanning Tool - http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk
http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp


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David H. Lipman wrote:

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Then why do you keep insisting I take it up privately with the
companies?

That's what this forum is for.


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Because THEY have their OWN reasons and to discuss why THEY do something you
have to ask
THEM not third parties.

--
Dave
Multi-AV Scanning Tool - http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk
http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp



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David H. Lipman wrote:

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You worked there!  Its not just them, either.  


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| David H. Lipman wrote:
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| You worked there!  Its not just them, either.

I also "quit" working there  ;-)

I can say it's because its considered a "grey area" and isn't black & white.

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Dave
Multi-AV Scanning Tool - http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk
http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp


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David H. Lipman wrote:

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Fair enough, that's probably all you can say.  Thanks for the honesty.


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David H. Lipman wrote:
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Aren't 'grey areas' the murky domain of malware,
where they can't be positively labeled good or bad?

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You can say that.


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Dave
Multi-AV Scanning Tool - http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk
http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp



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