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Re: Looking for a decent AV product


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No, actually it isn't. It's a generic term. Spyware, adware, ransomware are  
your "class" identifiers. if were being picky here to the point of absurd.
  
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No, it's not.
  
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A name was already given, sometime ago. A VIRUS. The others are trojans.  
Buzzword; "malware" by the masses.
  
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well, one of us seems to have a mess, but one of us doesn't. :)
  


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Re: Looking for a decent AV product

On 2013-08-15 12:36 PM, Dustin wrote:
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Well, actually it is. Clas identification (or labelling) is what a  
generic term is for. (Footnote) A class identifier (or label or term or  
name or whatever you want to call it ) refers to a bundle or set or  
class or pile of things. Hence, it identifies a class (or set or bundle  
or group or pile whatever you want to call it). That's what "generic  
terms" do. They label genera (which are classes of classes, technically  
speaking). We use 'em all the time, depending on the level of generality  
we're thinking about. SUVs. Cars. Vehicles. Transport. See?

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Hey, who's picky? ;-) Anyhow, you've nicely identified another level of  
the taxonomy. Classification, in ordinary language. It's done when there  
are two or more levels of sorting.  
Classes/sub-classes/sub-sub-classes... Most people are not very good at  
doing it, as just about any Power Point show will demonstrate.

Computer related terminology hasn't been agreed upon yet. It suffers  
from the NIH syndrome, and then some. And the unwashed masses have taken  
to computers in a big way, seeing them as appliances, and  
adopting/adapting terms to suit themselves. So we have a terminological  
mess, with the same terms being used for different things, and worse,  
for different levels of the taxonomy. No wonder people argue about  
technical accuracy.

Footnote: English converts any noun into a class identifier by
a) dropping the article. Compare "The trees are green" and "In summer,  
trees are green".
b) pluralising an abstract noun. Compare "Philosophy can be comforting"  
and "Some philosophies are more comforting than others".

Have a good one.

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Re: Looking for a decent AV product

On 2013-08-15 1:01 AM, Dustin wrote:

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"True virus" as opposed to "malware" (ie trojans).

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Ditto

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Re: Looking for a decent AV product


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True virus is an oxymoron. It either is a virus, OR it isn't. There's no such  
thing as a fake virus.
  


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Re: Looking for a decent AV product

On 2013-08-15 12:37 PM, Dustin wrote:
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Let's be clear about this. I intended "true virus" as "a virus properly  
so-called". If you can't parse that from my clarification above, I guess  
I'll have to be tediously explicit in future.

Have a good one.

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Re: Looking for a decent AV product


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I appreciate your clarity. I just don't like the wording. It's a pet peeve,  
sorry. :)

  


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Re: Looking for a decent AV product

On 2013-08-16 12:41 AM, Dustin wrote:
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That's OK, I was reacting in pet-peeve mode, too.

Peace,

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Re: Looking for a decent AV product


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Wolk K..... there's no need to be tediously explicit. Dustin sometimes has  
problems with understanding but I'm sure he'll work out the correct meaning  
in the end!   :)

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Re: Looking for a decent AV product

On Fri, 16 Aug 2013 18:32:13 +0100

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What some may not realize is that there *is* a difference in terms where what the professionals call a "worm" is not a "true worm". People who want to continue using "virus" incorrectly like to refer to *real* computer viruses as "true viruses" to distinguish between them and so that they can continue to misuse the term "virus". True worms are even more 'few and far between' than viruses are.

Kind of similar to "Jenn was a SysOp, but not a "true SysOp".

Re: Looking for a decent AV product

On 08/05/2013 03:07 PM, Buffalo wrote:
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I install MSE and MBAM Pro on the computers I service because my clients  
are clueless and I need to use the most "set and forget" things I can.  
While avast! may have a better detection rate, it asks more from the  
user than what my clients can provide.

FWIW, since implementing this MSE + MBAM Pro combo, my repeat business  
has gone to shit.

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Re: Looking for a decent AV product

On Mon, 05 Aug 2013 21:24:03 -0400, Mark Warner

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Hard to tell whether that's a good thing or a bad thing. :)

Time to sell "checkup" packages. Get them to buy periodic health
checks, run MRT or another independent scanner to be sure they haven't
been nailed by zero-days. Keep the price per machine reasonable and do
a monthly or quarterly visit just to make sure they are running at
"peak performance", etc. It usually generates "while you're here"
service calls for me.

Re: Looking for a decent AV product

On Mon, 5 Aug 2013 13:07:16 -0600, "Buffalo"

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I don't declare a false positive until I have run the suspect through
VirusTotal.com or possibly MRT and come up negative or it's a known
false positive in the community.

I personally run MSE on all my equipment and VM's with periodic scans
with non-installed scanners or MRT. I also don't do much "risky"
behavior on the net anymore, no time for silliness these days.

If MSE worries you, use Avast free or pro and be done with it. Then
run MRT if you suspect a hit.  

I like MRT because it has carnal knowledge of Windows and knows
whether a critical component is compromised or not. MRT is
automatically maintained by Windows Update and it's free, fast and you
can run it from the Search dialog in the Start menu painlessly. I've
also had two clients hit by malware while traveling in Brazil and it
was a simple matter to talk them through installation and operation of
MRT which fixed the problem painlessly.

Re: Looking for a decent AV product

I should add that just like the virus analogy, I believe in
broad-spectrum anti-viral methods. Use best-of-breed tools from time
to time to be sure the installed tools are doing the job. MRT is one,
online scanners like VirusTotal are another.  

Caution: Make sure the tools you use are not install-type tools of the
same type as your chosen protection tool. This is a bad thing. MRT can
co-exist with Avast or MSE because it's not a mail or file system
interceptor.

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