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In the past I used only paid for versions of AV programs.

I used Kaspersky some years back but their total lack of support sent
me to Avira.  Avira was a pain in the arse many ways and I dropped it.
For about three years I used AVG until they totally screwed it up last
year with a new fancy interface.  My subscription is not up, but I've
had it with the damn thing and am looking for a new AV.

I went to Amazon - where the prices are half what the AV company sites
charge.  I find now that many of them will not allow you to install on
more than one machine.  You can pay a bit more for a version that will
allow you to put the program on a couple of machines.  However, a
number of user reviews on Amazon say that things went wrong with their
license install and Kaspersky won't even answer them much less help
solve their problem.  One guy said a salesman at the Kaspersky site
told him that it would work with Win 8.  When the buyer found out
differently, Kaspersky wouldn't give him a refund.  They are more
arrogant than ever. I had used them for many years until they turned
into such an outfit.

Anyway, seeing the problem of license install with many of these AVs,
I have decided to hell with paying for it anymore. I cannot believe
those greedy idiots at BitDefender want a hundred bucks for their AV
with a no limit license. Really! This AV stuff has turned into a
freaking, greedy joke.   My question is what is the difference between
Avast freebie vs. their paid for version of the AV program, NOT the
Internet Security nonsense.

I also have come to HATE these fancy interfaces that take forever to
load and do little else but get in the way of doing a scan.  

What is a simple, effective freebie AV only proggie?

Re: Looking for a decent AV product

On Thu, 01 Aug 2013 19:28:28 -0500 jack4@wherever.com wrote:

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<http://www.avast.com/compare-antivirus

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jack4@wherever.com wrote:
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I use Avira, and I don't find it to be a PITA whatsoever. What about it  
do you not like?  



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 I last used it about three years ago.  I don't remember all the
problems I had with it, but one was the thing was more intrusive than
those miserable software firewalls.  It kept popping up with one bit
of nonsense after another.  There was more, but it was a while back
and I don't remember all of the problems, but they were enough for me
to firmly resolve to never consider using it again.

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I've used KAV for about 10 years and can't comment on their support cause  
I've never really needed any. Occasional minor issues\questions have been  
resolved by posting questions to their forum. I pay full price from their  
site but actual price is only 1 as I spit cost with 2 other people that  
use the program I purchase.  


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On Thu, 01 Aug 2013 19:28:28 -0500, jack4@wherever.com wrote:

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I've been using avast! Free Antivirus for years now (when it was still
called avast! Home Edition). It's not 'simple', because it offers you
several 'shields'. Mail, P2P, IM, ... But you can choose to
disable/enable the shields you want. It offers other protection as well.
For instance, Software Updater and Browser Cleanup, but you can choose
to disable/uninstall. I've disabled Software Shield because I'm using
Secunia PSI.

It's also free, but you'll need to register to receive a license key.
This key is valid for one year. Not to worry: in all those years I have
*never* received spam from avast!. And there are no problems obtaining a
new (free) license key.

Also, avast! provides streaming updates and updates several times a day.

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I did download and register the free version of Avast.  That was late
last night, so I haven't gone through the settings yet.  I'm going to
do that in a little while after I get other things out of the way.

So far, when I did a scan of my C: drive, it didn't have some
cockamamie multifaceted interface come up which the scan had to be
initiated through.  The simple graph that came up displaying the scan
progress was pretty much of what I was used to years back before these
damn programs insisted on making morning coffee, checking for the
morning newspaper delivery  and accessing the Internet for the time in
Nanking, China.

However, I did open their graphical interface for the various "shield"
settings.  While I'd rather have a simple "settings" system without
the pictures, this one seems simple enough and is quickly understood.

As for it's File Shield checking each program which opens and
momentarily placing it in Avast's Sandbox, I don't think I'm going to
like that, but for now I'm going to use it as it comes until I make up
my mind about which features I want to keep working.

All in all, it's interface and workings are considerable better than
the clunky interface AVG stuck me with on my renewal last year.  That
SUCKED.

One word of advice to anyone looking for a paid version of any anti
virus, go to Amazon and pay about half of what you'll pay at the AV's
company site.




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On Thu, 01 Aug 2013 19:28:28 -0500, jack4@wherever.com wrote:

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I just had my first big problem with Avast.  The file shield nonsense
locked up my machine while I tried accessing one of my installed
programs. I couldn't unlock the damn thing through Avast nor through
Task Manager because Avast would not allow it.  I had to reboot with a
bunch of stuff open.  It took three reboots before the computer would
boot properly. Spyware blaster was hosed.  That's all I found so far.
I HOPE that's all that got hosed.

I went into the Avast settings and turned off the file shield
nonsense.  ALL i want from an anti virus program is to scan a file
when downloading it from Usenet or the Web, and scan whatever file or
HD I tell it to.  That's it!  These damn programs today want to wipe
your nose, wipe your ass and tell you when to pee or burp.  They are
ridiculous.  They're made for morons who cannot blow their own noses.

I've turned off a bunch of crap in the settings.  I'll see what
happens now.  I'm going to stick it out with Avast just a bit longer
because I don't expect any other of the AVs today to be any different,
except maybe even worse than this one.

It seems the more these fools try to make these things do, they more
chances there are for a conflict with other programs on the machine.


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jack4@wherever.com, while unnecessarily full-quoting himself, wrote:
  
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Isin't the NT-line of Windows just so much fun!

Are you still excited by the emperor's new OS?   Woven from the finest,
most expensive code?

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That's Micro$haft's motto!

If it works - it's not complicated enough!

But it sure makes a living for those in the AV industry- doesn't it
fellas?

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On Fri, 02 Aug 2013 19:29:42 -0500, jack4@wherever.com wrote:

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It's not a good idea to turn off File System Shield. If it bothers you,
then you can turn off the AutoSandbox, change settings or add
exclusions. You can choose to exclude files as well as directories. And
you can choose to exclude files/directories in both File System Shield
as AutoSandbox.
  
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NNTP -> Mail Shield
Web -> Web Shield

If you don't want/need the other shield you can disable them with 'Stop'
or even better: you can uninstall those shields.

Start > Control Panel > Programs and Features > avast! Free Antivirus >
Uninstall/Change > Change > Next ...

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Home > Scan

Another good idea is to create a password. It's a PITA when you want to
change settings, but it's extra security.

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I turned the File System Shield back on, but disengaged the Sandbox
feature.  I have excluded whole directories which hold nothing but
video files.  I've done the same for directories holding MP3 files.

I don't see anywhere how to merely exclude file formats only, such as
the above.  I only  see that Global Exclusion menu to exclude by
directory only.  I'd much rather do it by file extension.  Where is
that file exclusion setting?

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I don't need one of those.  I'm sick and disgusted of all the ones I
do need just to surf the Web.  It's only me and my wife here.  She is
smart enough to know she doesn't have a clue about changing AV menus.
She has her own machine and never through the years has screwed around
with menus she doesn't understand, such as AV menus.  She's seen
enough computers belonging to her friends turn into doorstops.  It's
amazing how many people know absolutely nothing about their machines.
I mean the simple stuff, like maybe you have to update your AV program
daily, and you can't just hit the Off button on the comp because it's
easier than going through *all* that nonsense of turning off all 23 of
the programs you have running at the time.  Years ago, I tried helping
some of our friends with their comp problems.  After repeated,
deliberate stupidity, I gave up on that.  

 I'll see how things go with the settings I have now.  I really don't
care much for the overly cluttered amount of choices in Avast's menu,
but I'll stick with it for now because - as I said, I've seen worse
with other AVs.

Thanks for answering.  

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On Sat, 03 Aug 2013 08:35:31 -0500, jack4@wherever.com wrote:

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It's right there...

Antivirus > File System Shield > Settings > Exclusions > Add

*.mp3
*.avi
*.mp4
*.mkv
...

But it's not a good idea. Media files can be infected as well.

<http://superuser.com/questions/445366/can-avi-files-contain-a-virus

| Yes, media files (and for that matter, /any/ file) can contain a virus by
| exploiting vulnerabilities in the program that opens/views the file.
  
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KeePass can help you with that...

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That's not the point. The password is meant to prevent people from
'outside' to change your AV settings. You can also choose which
'protected areas are covered by the password.

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I only have the choice of placing a Path into the Exclusion settings
in order to exclude an entire directory.  That's dumb!

Nowhere does it allow entering only an extension.

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With all the mp3, flv, mp4, etc., files I have, it would take a half a
day to go through all of them.  I've been doing that for a lot of
years.  So far no problem.  

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I hate those things.  Through all the years, I've had about four or
five of those things go bye-bye on me.  I don't like anything about
their formatting.  I keep all my passwords in a simple text file which
I encrypt with PGP and one hellaciously long passphrase. That file is
backed up on four different HDs.

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I stay away from what I consider overly paranoid "security" features.
All those "safe" measures make my computer time a pia.  It's been
many, many years since I got an infection.  Besides, I have
incremental and full disk backups.  Yes, they can also get infected.
but with keeping months of each type on different drives, there will
always be one that will be fine.  What I have found through the years
is that it isn't viruses or any kind of malware that have crashed my
machine and screwed up the OS. In my cases, it has always been badly
written software that goes to war with other software on the machine.
Except for the first two years or so, that has always been the case
with me since I first transitioned over to Win 3.1 for Workshops from
DOS.  I firmly believe in the KISS principle: Keep It Simple, Stupid.
Too bad AV programmers don't follow the same rule.

Bye the way, that nonsense of not being able to make a file extension
an Exclusion, is a big mark against Avast.  I am also not thrilled
with the multitude of Settings menus.  These AV people have mucked up
what used to be a very simple type of program.


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On Sat, 03 Aug 2013 22:21:36 -0500, jack4@wherever.com wrote:


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I'm afraid it's a case of PEBKAC because excluding directories and file
extensions /is/ an option.

double-click on the avast! icon in your task bar
Security > Antivirus > File System Shield > Settings > Exclusions > Add

You can clearly see in this screenshot that adding file extensions is
not a problem at all...

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Look again.
  
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If not for the media files you already have, but for the *new* media
files you download... Who says they're not infected?

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I have them stored in KeePass (of which I have several backups as well).

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I'm afraid it's a big mark against *you*. ;-) File extensions as well as
directories *can* be added. You can find all about exclusions in the
Help file (F1) and there are online FAQs, a support (web)forum, ... You
seem eager to judge, but not so eager to find out how the program really
works.

Avast! Free Antivirus is one of the most popular AV programs at the
moment, but if you want alternatives:
<http://www.techradar.com/news/software/applications/best-free-antivirus-9-reviewed-and-rated-1057786

I've installed avast! on computers owned by less computer savvy friends
and family. Never had any complaints; the program practically runs by
itself. One of the few times they need is when you need to register
again for a one year free license. (And even that is child's play.)

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There used to be a time that you could only get a virus when it was sent
to you by e-mail. And even then you needed to execute it yourself. Times
have changed and so have AV programs.

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On 08/01/2013 08:28 PM, jack4@wherever.com wrote:
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MSE.

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On Sat, 03 Aug 2013 22:39:06 -0400, Mark Warner wrote:

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MSE was recently tested by AV-test.org. It scored *zero* (0) for
detecting malware.

<http://www.av-test.org/en/tests/home-user/windows-7/mayjun-2013/

On a few other tests MSE didn't have a good score either...

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If you notice, the MSE line says "Baseline". If you are going to
define a zero baseline and MSE is the baseline, then yes, MSE is going
to score zero. Duh.

It didn't score zero for detecting malware, it detected 96% out of
19,741 test cases where the industry average was 98% out of 19,741 and
76% out of 132 zero-day samples where the industry average was 92%.
This metric was *chosen* to be the zero line.

Avast seems to score the highest for detecting zero-days and 4/6 for
performance and good usability and a low false-positive rate. IMO,
false-positives only confuse ordinary users so I'd prefer zero false
positives over constantly alerting and effectively immunizing the user
to alerts.  

Kaspersky scored well in detection and performance but scored worse in
false positives.

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On Sun, 04 Aug 2013 14:13:19 -0700, Geoff wrote:

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Tnx for clearing things out. :-)

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So, do you (or anyone else) feel I would be better protected on my Win7  
64bit HP desktop using the free Avast than the MSE I am currently using?
I have not had an infection in years and I also am now using the Pro MBAM  
along with MSE  (was using the Pro SAS, put it on my laptop) and really  
haven't had much more than one of two false hits on things that I didn't  
suspect already.
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You'd be better off, imho, with AVAST and Malwarebytes. Dump MSE.




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