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Oh was it? What a clever little troll we are aren't we?
Mommy must be right proud of you.


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"James Egan" wrote:

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A very poor performance ending up with IKYABWAI lameness.



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And lets face it nobody but a hardcore troll would use term IKYABWAI.
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http://www.sophos.com/pressoffice/news/articles/2005/07/pr_uk_midyearroundup2005.html
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Do you really believe this? I think you are deluding yourself here.
I don't really see what protection your router is giving you.
Would you care to explain how it protects you?
Explaintions such as "Well I am using a NAT router" don't really qualify as
the
arguement is kind of circular."


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| Do you really believe this? I think you are deluding yourself here.
| I don't really see what protection your router is giving you.
| Would you care to explain how it protects you?
| Explaintions such as "Well I am using a NAT router" don't really qualify as
| the arguement is kind of circular."
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My IP address is in my reply.
Prove otherwise.

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Thats like saying your house is burgal proof and inviting me to burgal
it to prove you wrong.

My IP address has been in my reply for the last ten years, and I have
not suffered any infections really, one or two possible incidents but
these were no doubt caused by my careless use of the internet or were
merely over zealous antivirus software reports.
I am sure there are many people using NAT routers who had serious problems
with viruses. I certaintly have not and certaintly nothting that a NAT
router would have
prevented. I can guarantee you that.

But anyway you have avoided the question as to how you are
protected, asking me to prove you are not an adaquate answer, it
suggests you don't know.

All you router is doing is routing the traffic to your computer, it has no
more
idea whether that traffic is a 'virus' or not.

Anyway there are a lot of 12 minutes in the time I have been connected to
to the interenet, and I don't appear to have acquired my yearly alloction
of 43,000 viruses, in fact I should be up to the 1/2 million mark my now!!
Or maybe I have!! Maybe that is why my hard drive is nearly full :O)







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| Thats like saying your house is burgal proof and inviting me to burgal
| it to prove you wrong.
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| My IP address has been in my reply for the last ten years, and I have
| not suffered any infections really, one or two possible incidents but
| these were no doubt caused by my careless use of the internet or were
| merely over zealous antivirus software reports.
| I am sure there are many people using NAT routers who had serious problems
| with viruses. I certaintly have not and certaintly nothting that a NAT
| router would have
| prevented. I can guarantee you that.
|
| But anyway you have avoided the question as to how you are
| protected, asking me to prove you are not an adaquate answer, it
| suggests you don't know.
|
| All you router is doing is routing the traffic to your computer, it has no
| more
| idea whether that traffic is a 'virus' or not.
|
| Anyway there are a lot of 12 minutes in the time I have been connected to
| to the interenet, and I don't appear to have acquired my yearly alloction
| of 43,000 viruses, in fact I should be up to the 1/2 million mark my now!!
| Or maybe I have!! Maybe that is why my hard drive is nearly full :O)
|

I have posted numerous times about the use of FireWall appliance and NAT
Routers.  Find and
read them.

If you probe my IP you won't find out anything.
Why ?
Because the Router has ports specifically blocked and only on invites from the
LAN side will
WAN access get through the WAN/LAN barrier.  The Routers enforcement through
simplistic
FireWall constructs and Network Address Translation is far superior then
attempting to close
ports on nodes on the LAN side.

I look forward to seeing activity from NTL Internet Ltd.  :-)

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Dave
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Computer off line due to a virus infection?

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However without some open ports you cannot use the internet.


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No it is effecively the same thing.

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Either that or an annomouuus proxy anyway.

Anyway I am not a hacker so it is pointless asking me to hack you,
so if you want to be tested you better ask more widely, prehaps in a
'hackers'
group and see how you get on.

Or you could go to one of many sites which will test you open ports.
I have just had all my 'ports tested' and I passed with flying colours.
Perhaps you would like to give it a try too???

https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2

So..... what extra is a router going to offer me? (Apart from extra cost).

Of course you need to test you router is secure too ;O)

Some what more difficult me thinks :O|


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This is not correct.  Open ports are used by servers, to allow clients
to establish a connection.  If you are not running any servers, that
you want to have accessible, from the internet, then you do not need
any open incoming ports.  Incoming traffic will still be allowed, but
only when it is in response to outgoing traffic.  For most home computers,
the only case where an open incoming port is usually needed, is for p2p
software.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

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Yes it is unless you just want to send data, which is rather pointless
inmost instances.

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And by other programs to communicate.

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Except for programs which need to accept data.

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Yes.....you're getting there....

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Exactly. Any your firewall will take care of that.

Unless it is a hardware router with an exploit in in which cannot be fixed
by an uupdate, such as NAT router


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Doesn't yur NAT router take care of that :O)




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Having a nat router is an extra layer of security.  If your firewall has an
exploit, the router can protect it. If the router has an exploit, the firewall
will protect your computer.

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Heh. heh.  The swen email worm made me do that, as it was filling my inbox at
my isp in less than two hours, till I started running my computer 24/7 with a
filter to id and delete the worms, without having to download them.  I couldn't
download them as fast at they were arriving at my isp, at the time.  Prior to
that I did not filter email at all, and used the arriving spam and viruses to
analyze them and report back to the senders isp.  While the swen email worm
is very rare now, I figure it's only a matter of time till another worm uses
a similar method.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

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On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 02:38:12 -0500, "David W. Hodgins"

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It's ironic that the vx purists who used to post to acv thought
conciseness of code to be of real importance yet swen caused a major
headache not because of its exceptional coding but because of its
bulk.

I think a lot of people got email accounts with server side filtering
after that. Often at an extra cost


Jim.


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Worms that spread by taking advantage of exploits in software listening to
tcp/udp ports are blocked by the router.

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When you use a properly configured router, all incoming traffic is blocked,
unless it's in response to an outgoing packet.  The router has to be configured,
to allow traffic for the ports where you do want incoming traffic, to be allowed.

For example, if you are running an http server, you would have to setup the
router to forward all data coming in to port 80, to forward it to the
computer with the server running.

Your web browser will still work, because it is initiating the connection,
by sending a tcp syn packet, that the router will allow responses to.

You'll still have to keep your software, that accesses the internet updated,
but you no longer have to worry about printer&file sharing, for example.

You can think of the nat router, as a hardware firewall, for incoming
traffic.  Like the windows firewall, it does nothing to help with connections
established by software, on your computer.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

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Ah so its the same as my computer then!! Interestinig!!


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Bit like my comp :O)

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I have had my securirty tested and passed with flying colours, I don't
use windows firewall I use another. I would sooner but my balls into
the mouth of a rotweiller than use a windows product for security.
And no I am not into beatiality.

AS far as I can see a router offers me nowt, infact I think relying on one
for security is the height of folly.


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Lol.  At least we agree on something :).  I use linux, and only run M$
in a virtual box, where it's protected by the linux firewall.

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It's another layer of security.  Firewalls have been found to have security
holes, in the past.  Using the router stops the packets from even hitting
your computer, unless they're coming from an infected computer connected
to the same router.

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Re: Just 12 minutes


I stated...
"If you probe my IP you won't find out anything."

You eplied...
"Computer off line due to a virus infection?"

Not even close.  It is because my Router is locked down, wob't respond to
'pings', Telnet,
TFTP or other atempts at communication.  When you see the WAN address you can't
see the
non-routable private address scheme of 192.168.x.y and the Router will NOT
translate that
WAN to LAN address from the POV of the Internet.

Your conclusions in this thread are faulty to say the least and I am not going
to hash and
rehash answers to try to convince you otherwise.

Please take the time to research this subject matter.  If you do you will learn
that due to
simplistic FireWall constructs found in NAT Routers and specifically Network
address
Translation nodes from the POV of the Internet can not simply access nodes on
the LAN side.
Additionally you will learn the software based FireWalls are placebos when
compared to an PC
(even with open ports) that are behind a NAT Router or a Router with a full
FireWall
implementation.

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How quaint, neither will mine.
If fact you will find it hard to find a computer at my IP adress at all.


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Better no do cos you will look very silly when I prove you wronog.

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An ironic statement if ever iheard one.

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Largly piffle.
Do some real resaerch instad of parroting something you found on the the net
or repeatiing a salesmans prattle

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| How quaint, neither will mine.
| If fact you will find it hard to find a computer at my IP adress at all.
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| Largly piffle.
| Do some real resaerch instad of parroting something you found on the the net
| or repeatiing a salesmans prattle
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< plonk >

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Ah running away when the going gets abit hot for you eh?
You still have no provided adaquate answers to my questions so that
is no surprise.
Were are the 48,000 virus infections I should be having, you didn't quite
manage to a address that one either, just concentrated on making
up as many acronymns as you can, oh and yes placeabos, how posh.

<Plink!!>


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I have seen XP computers infected the during the oobe on first boot.
Technically Windows isn't even installed until the oobe is finished. There
are many worms that will infect an unprotected Windows computer connected
directly to the Internet. Simply inserting a NAT router into the equation
stops them. Most of these types of worms exploit an old LSASS vulnerability
and require no user input to infect a computer.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=lsass+worm

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