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David H. Lipman wrote:
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For a normally intelligent person, the removal of the post would be warning
enough.

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He's not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

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be taken seriously. Hubert H. Humphrey



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| David H. Lipman wrote:

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| For a normally intelligent person, the removal of the post would be warning
| enough.

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| He's not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

Not even an 'edge'.




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Dave
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JD wrote:
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oh please, jd ... if you can't explain to anyone how you define what is
vulgar or sexually oriented, how can you expect there to be any standard to
judge an image?

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It must be a very simple application indeed to be 100% safe.

I would say that the programmers are probably 100% well intentioned.

(is McAfee 100% safe?)



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| It must be a very simple application indeed to be 100% safe.

| I would say that the programmers are probably 100% well intentioned.

| (is McAfee 100% safe?)



I truly think that logic would be above his capability.

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Dave
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Maybe, but I believe he is not stupid - just annoying as all hell. :oD

Even well intentioned programmers can introduce unsafe implementations
of ... say ... decompression algorithms, into a scanner, making zip
files or rar files into DoS trojans or worse. It has been seen before as
you know.

That 100% gets tossed around so much that one would think that it is the
"new math" that makes 100 the same as less than 100. :o)



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FromTheRafters wrote:

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That's good to know! :)

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Name two things which I do which you find annoying - if necessary,
please explain why so. I *may* change what I do!

Now .......

Here's an item for you to get your teeth into, FTR!

It's an extract from a thread I once started here:-

http://forum.kaspersky.com/index.php?showtopic=50275&st=40

(this is post No 46)

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Performing a standard Disk Format and Reinstall of the Operating System
will render common infections incompatible, but not all Rootkits and its
accompanying payload of malware..... Rootkits work from outside the
Operating System and can hide in Bad Sectors of the Hard Disk thus have
places to hide on the Hard Disk that are essentially outside the
Operating Systems environment, untouchable by it, yet still at hand.

Most wiping, erasing, formatting, and partitioning tools will not
overwrite logical bad sectors on the Disk, leaving the Rootkits and
their accompanying payload of malware behind and still active.

Rootkits in themselves are not a threat.....the danger is that Rootkits
have the invincible power of Stealth.....Malicious Programmers can hide
their malware safely inside the protection of the Rootkit.

Rootkits reside in the Root of things, thus the name 'Root' that service
as an protective container for the accompanying payload of malware, or
on the bright side, the accompanying payload of Software Code with
productive, safe intentions, together they are a 'KIT'.....thus the name
'ROOTKIT'.....and Rootkits are not a joke.

Once the Computer is compromised by an Rootkit with its accompanying
payload of malware, all files in the System can not be trusted and are
likely infected..... this includes all the System files, Software,
backups, removable disks, and restore points..... Rootkits can not only
hide themselves in Bad Sectors of Hard Disks, they can also hide
themselves in the Boot Sectors of Hard Disks, CD/DVD, and Floppy
Disks..... Rootkits can also hide in the Firmware of Hardware
Components, in the BIOS, Motherboard, Video-card EEPROM or Alternate
Data Streams.....

Rootkits hide their processes, files, and folders by using sophisticated
hooking and filtering techniques. As a result, traditional methods of
viewing the system state typically return no indication of foul
play.....the Rootkit makes sure of that.

When an Rootkit is cloaked, system utilities such as Task Manager,
Regedit, will not be able to expose the processes and Registry data that
should betray the presence of the Rootkit. The lurking Rootkit files
will not be viewable in Windows Explorer or even via the command
line.....The Rootkit needs to be uncloaked, in return the
Malware Components it was hiding become uncloaked as well.....

Removing an Rootkit is an two step process:

1). Uncloaking and removing the Rootkit.....this step involves using
special Software tools that can find the Rootkit and remove it.

2). Removing the malware payload associated with the Rootkit.....this
step normally uses conventional security programs such as Anti-Virus,
Anti-Trojan, and Anti-Spyware scanners. This step may also involve
manual deletion of some stubborn Rootkit components.

Some helpful tools to help detect and remove Rootkits are:
RootkitRevealer by Microsoft, Rootkit_Detective by McAfee, BlackLight by
F-Secure, UnHackMe by Greatis, AVG Anti-rootkit by Grisoft to name a
few.....

-drdos

*************

I'd be most interested to discuss these comments of drdos further - you
will note that the thread was closed by the moderator shortly after we
reached this stage!

In particular, do you agree that "Rootkits can also hide in the Firmware
of Hardware Components, in the BIOS, Motherboard, Video-card EEPROM or
Alternate Data Streams....." ?

Like Dustin Cook, I've always been a 'detail' person too! <vbg>

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Dave


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FUD post !

There is NO malware that infects are resides within the; BIOS, Motherboard or
Video-card
EEPROM.


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Dave
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| FUD post !

| There is NO malware that infects are resides within the; BIOS, Motherboard or
| Video-card
| EEPROM.


That should have been...
"...that infects or resides within..."



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Dave
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David H. Lipman wrote:
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So now we are in a situation where someone (drdos) has posted
information on a well known technical forum saying one thing ....... and
Mr David H Lipman (whoever he may *really* be!) making a post on Usenet
groups claiming that the original poster is wrong.

Take a step outside the box, David.

How could anyone simply 'visiting' these groups have any notion of who
is actually telling the truth?

I am /inclined/ to believe what *you* say - but there is no supporting
evidence to that effect - is there?

Is it reasonable for readers to accept that, as you have made no
disparaging comment to the contrary, that "Most wiping, erasing,
formatting, and partitioning tools will not overwrite logical bad
sectors on the Disk, leaving the Rootkits and their accompanying payload
of malware behind and still active."?

If so, what action would one recommend one takes before reinstalling an
operating system on a previously used disk - Darik's Boot and Nuke?
http://download.cnet.com/Darik-s-Boot-and-Nuke-for-CD-and-DVD/3000-2094_4-10151762.html

Or, maybe FDISK will do? http://support.microsoft.com/kb/255867

Or does one simply assume that one's disk is Rootkit free and simply use
a Windows set-up disk and the in-built formatting facility?

--
Dave

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If the article claims an infection in the bios or eeprom vs corruption;
then the article is indeed, wrong. BD.
 
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Google bios and eeproms David. You might find it somewhat enlightening.
 
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By doing their own research into the matter?
 
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See above. Google really is your friend.
 
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behind, possibly; active.. no.
 
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If it does sector overwrites (and I believe it can be configured to do
so) yes.
 
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FDISK is a partitioning tool. it doesn't address sectors marked as bad.
 
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If the system disc is clean and initializes the bootsector with clean
code, bye bye rootkit. Assuming it was an MBR based one.


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Dustin Cook wrote:
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Thank you, Dustin.

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I've done much research!

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On Usenet there is absolutely no way of telling who is telling the truth
AFAICT. I know much about you and, in spite of what you may think I
thought (!) I'm quite sure that you a real young man with a mom and a
family.

I know absolutely *nothing* about David H. Lipman, save for the fact
that he thinks he is God's gift to Usenet and is a contributor at
Malwarebytes forums. His English is poor and he has little understanding
of human nature.

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I find nothing about the personal/professional life of Mr Lipman.

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1. The "False Authority Syndrome"

Don't believe everything. Some people talk or write about viruses as if
they were an authority in this field, but in fact they are often not.

Ref: http://www.claymania.com/info-fas.html


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OK - possible to be reactivated once back on-line?

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That was my understanding. Thanks.


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At that link it says - quote:-

"When you run the fdisk command to create, delete, or change a
partition, all of the data on that partition is permanently deleted".

I've always understood that to mean that any malware would be destroyed
too!

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How can one be sure that it *is* clean?!!!

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That is my understanding too. My niggling concern has always been that
malware (call it what you will) might remain 'somewhere' within a box
ready to continue with it's malicious activity even though it's been
flattened and windows reinstalled (or even if a *new* hard disk has been
installed!).

I suspect such thoughts came about from my contact and discussion with
our then High Tech Crime Unit - who recommended that I *destroy/trash*
the machine involved in my identity theft encounter. The implication was
that there is much more going on 'behind the scenes'- things that the
authorities do not want the public to know about!

As I'm sure you have gathered, I prefer honesty and openness! :)

--
Dave

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~BD~ wrote:
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also called 'illusory superiority syndrome'

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http://tinyurl.com/yb627mf

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"~BD~" wrote:
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The link to vmyths (for more about FAS) on that page is out of date.
Use this: http://vmyths.com/fas/ which redirects to a PDF written by
Rob Rosenberger. It's a bit dated now, talking about old msdos viruses
and bulletin boards, but the wisdom is still sound.

"The U.S. Air Force highlights the concept of False Authority Syndrome
 in Tongue & Quill, their official publication on effective writing:

  Nonexpert opinion or assumed authority - Don't be swayed (or try to
  sway someone else) based on the opinion of an unqualified authority.
  The Air Force is chock-full of people who, because of their position
  or authority in one field, are quoted on subjects in other fields
  for which they have limited or no experience.

 (As this Air Force publication notes, False Authority Syndrome can
 attack people in all fields of expertise.)".

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See the quote above. Police units dealing with computer crime are not
authorities on malware. Their expertise is in gathering evidence
(computer forensics) for possible prosecutions. They need to know
where and what to look for on the system and, before they start, how
to preserve or not corrupt that information. Sure, they may employ or
consult experts who know something about particular malware in certain
cases but did you communicate with one of these experts? More likely
it was some desk sergeant or other front man whose job is not to
educate the public about the finer points of fraudulent or malicious
software but simply to give the safest and most general advice; i.e.
trash the machine. In fact, that sounds like pretty dumb advice from
anyone claiming to be an expert on malware.

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There's no such implication - just your paranoid fantasies and
conspiracy theories at work.



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| "~BD~" wrote:
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| The link to vmyths (for more about FAS) on that page is out of date.
| Use this: http://vmyths.com/fas/ which redirects to a PDF written by
| Rob Rosenberger. It's a bit dated now, talking about old msdos viruses
| and bulletin boards, but the wisdom is still sound.

< snip >

You don't see Robin on Usenet as much lately.  For a short while he was posting
malware
humour.

I was communicating with him offline not too long ago and I was pleasingly
surprised that
Robin and I have something in common.

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Dave
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[cross-posting limited to acv/acav]
"David H. Lipman" wrote:
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He hasn't posted to acv/acav in over a year as far as I can tell from
a search of cached posts on this PC.

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I can think of two things; an interest in malware and perhaps a common
ancestry?



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Ant wrote:
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Thank you for the revision, Ant. The Conclusion in that document says,
quote:-

"I DONíT WANT to dispel any particular computer virus myths someone may
have told you ó thatís not my goal here. Rather, I want you to question
a personís expertise if he or she claims to speak with authority on
computer viruses."

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You may well be right!

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Maybe so. Tell me, then, about the expertise and 'qualifications' of Mr
Lipman. I suspect that he's a 'professional' but seems reluctant to say
so. You talk as if you *know* him!

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Dave

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"~BD~" wrote:
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How do you get the impression I know him from my previous post when I
never mentioned or referred to him?

As it happens, both he and I are long-time contributors to acv and
acav, he offers advice to help people clean their machines and
provides a useful tool to do that in the form of Multi-AV. So yes,
I know him on usenet and from a private forum of researchers and
anti-malware people and have corresponded with him in email. I don't
know what he does for a living or what qualifications he has and
neither do I care because the advice he gives is sound. All
indications are that he has a wide knowledge of computer security,
viruses and other malware.

As for my expertise, I've previously mentioned I'm a long-time
programmer with a particular interest in reverse engineering
malicious code. I know about the capabilities of most currently
circulating malware and popular exploits as you may have noticed from
other posts I've made to these groups. Of course, in this field it's
a constant learning experience as computer systems and software evolve
and the bay guys try out new methods.

I tend not to dispense advice about security or AV software because
that's not my area of interest or expertise and I don't use such
applications. If I have to clean infected systems I use my low-level
system knowledge and basic or specialist tools.



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+1


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