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Re: How do anonymous VPN work? Simple words, but not too simple. A proposed answer here.


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I didn't claim to be an english professor. :) However, I do clearly
understand encryption; I've written several crypto freeware programs.
It's something i've always been interested in. For example, I understand
what's going on with SSL; and I've been writing code far longer than
yourself; as I didn't start with a windows GUI language. <G>


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Re: RayLopez99 catalogues all of the types of wood found inside of the closet..

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It's OK, RayLopez99;  It's almost 2011.

Re: [off-topic crap about VPNs]

"RayLopez99" wrote:

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Advanced languages? Thanks for the laugh! It's Visual Basic for the
21st century (yeah, I know there's also a VB.NET but it's the same
engine). Using Microsoft's MSIL offerings hardly makes you an advanced
programmer.



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Nope.  Try again pinhead Ant.  What you don't realize is that VB for
the 21st century is in fact an advanced language (as manifested by
C#).  Automatic garbage collection of such languages, not to mention
strong type checking, is like automatic transmissions in a car driven
in the city--much superior to manual transmissions.  And yes, I know
how to drive a stick shift.  Funny thing is, outside the USA people in
cities use manual transmission way too much, almost everybody here in
GR, yet it would be a tremendous help, more comfortable and easy (and
safer too, considering elderly drivers) if they switched to
automatic.  For the price of a little extra gas, and maybe not even
that much more. Smoother too, since a lot of people never really learn
to shift properly (a good stick driver can shift without using a
clutch, actually, a feat I have managed a few times, and a good stick
driver is so smooth you cannot tell you're in a manual transmission
car--something I pride myself in doing.  Off topic, a professional
chauffeur in Russia once apologized for a slight bump when he shifted--
other than that bump, you could not tell you were in a manual
transmission car, that's how smooth he was in over one hour of stop
and go traffic.  He told me he used to drive for the Kremlin).

RL

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"RayLopez99" wrote:

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Ok, loopy Lopez.

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Automatic GC is nothing new or particularly advanced (see Java) and
neither is strong typing (see Ada). You imply that being able to use
a more "advanced" language makes you somehow superior or a more
advanced programmer. That's obvious  nonesense because in languages
with features like auto GC and strong type checking you don't need to
take so much care about potential memory leaks and type clashes.

You may consider an automatic (car) to be superior to one with a
manual gear change but it doesn't make you a more skillful driver.

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There you go - he was doubtless a better driver than most who drive
automatics.



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8175-76fb5099d2ac@g2g2000vbe.googlegroups.com:

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advanced
advanced

Ray, Do you understand the structure of the compiled EXE you can
distribute? Are you able to isolate the individual sections of it? If
you answer no to either question, you are *not* an advanced programmer.
Your using a very high level language that does all the real work
behind the scenes for you. I suspect you don't even know which API is
used for what, although at the end of the day, your c#, vb, c++, asm
:), all use the same ones.

As you use such a later 21stcentury paint a gui then write the code
style language, you probably have no clue what's actually going on
between the various pieces of hardware in the machine; and that's what
you really want to program, after all.

<snip pointless driven about auto/vs stickshift> I too can drive a
stick, it's what I learned to drive on. Why? because if you can drive a
stick, you can drive anything. Sticks have atleast one advantage over
an automatic; And that's a system wide brake failure. In a stick shift,
you can gear her down and keep riding the gears to bring her to a full
stop; with or without the ebreak; and you won't tear the engine or
trans up doing it. You *cannot* do that with an auto. Another
advantage, you can roll start a stick shift thats got a bad battery or
a spent starter. You won't be doing that with an auto unless you can
get it rolling upto highway speed (atleast 45mph); and you risk serious
damage roll starting an automatic in that manner; whereas the stick
shift does no harm to the drive train or the engine roll starting.

A third advantage; you have more actual control over the vehicle in a
stick shift; *you* decide when/if it changes gears and into which gear;
which gives you actual greater control over the driveline to avoid a
spinout scenario.

That's three advantages off the top of my head for the stick shift. Oh,
one more; a stick shift transmission uses less horsepower (IE: less is
lost) than an automatic transmission.


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Nope.  That stuff is transparent for a reason--no need to get into
MASM and assembly and IL to figure out what you are doing.  That's the
point of having a "higher language".

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You have a point there. Higher levels take the onus of coding away from
the programmer and allow him to concentrate on what he wants to do
rather than on how to do it. Machine language is written in ones and
zeroes, assembly is written in mnemonics, HLLs in words and concepts,
and 4GL and above in crayon. Brings to light the difference between
coding and programming - programmers whom are also coders make better
programmers.
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NJpLnTRnZ2dnUVZ8sKdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk:

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Just slightly above that of a script kiddy, imho. What say you?


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"Dustin" wrote:

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Well, yes, if you're writing malware. VB6 and VB.NET are popular
choices for writing or packaging lame password stealers. I call it
"script-kiddy malware". C# is more similar in appearance to C++ or
Java, so the skiddies tend to avoid that.

High level languages like those in the .NET framework are fine for
building complex and nice looking GUIs with a minimum amount of hassle
but you can't use them to write kernel-mode drivers! In some sense
these HLLs are "advanced" - another level up from the Win32 API (which
itself is a level up from the native API) - but you don't need to be
an advanced programmer to use them. In fact the opposite is true; the
lower you go in the API hierarchy, the more you need to understand how
the OS and its subsystems actually work.



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| "Dustin" wrote:

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| Well, yes, if you're writing malware. VB6 and VB.NET are popular
| choices for writing or packaging lame password stealers. I call it
| "script-kiddy malware". C# is more similar in appearance to C++ or
| Java, so the skiddies tend to avoid that.

| High level languages like those in the .NET framework are fine for
| building complex and nice looking GUIs with a minimum amount of hassle
| but you can't use them to write kernel-mode drivers! In some sense
| these HLLs are "advanced" - another level up from the Win32 API (which
| itself is a level up from the native API) - but you don't need to be
| an advanced programmer to use them. In fact the opposite is true; the
| lower you go in the API hierarchy, the more you need to understand how
| the OS and its subsystems actually work.


Amen brother.

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RayLopez had a hard date last night again. That's why he still can't sit down.

TL;DR - OP needs a strong cup of prune juice and a bowl of buttered
okra.

Re: RayLopez had a hard date last night again. That's why he still can't sit down.


| TL;DR - OP needs a strong cup of prune juice and a bowl of buttered
| okra.

:-)


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