AVG not free anymore? Maybe yes/maybe no.

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Is AVG Free still available?

About 20 days ago, I started getting a big window on my screen telling
me I had 20 days before I would no longer have AVG Free protection and
urging me to pay.   Every day the number decreased by 1.  

I've been using AVG Free for several years.  

I googled      AVG not free anymore      , and found a bunch of pages
from 5 years ago, and from 3 years ago, that said all one needed to do
was reinstall.  I don't remember those episodes, but I do remember AVG
threatening me before, but nothing came of it like this time.  

So yesterday I had 0 days left and today it said I was't protected.  I
had already dl'd AVG Free and I installed it, and then it said I was
fully protected, and the last update was 11:24 today.   Okay fine.  

But there was a bottom portion to the AVG box that said I had negative
one days until my trial version expired. and I should buy now to
continue my protection.  Just what it's said for the last 20 days, but
now the number is negative.  

I could wait for a month or two and see if it keeps decreasing the
number, but I thought you'd be interested and that you might have
helpful words for me.   Tired of going this alone.  

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micky wrote:

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Why bother with AVG?  Switch to Avast for superior protection and less
nags.

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On 04/30/2013 11:38 AM, micky wrote:
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Get rid of it. Run the uninstall conventionally, then run the Removal  
Tool to strip out all the residual crap:

http://www.avg.com/us-en/utilities

A pass with the CCleaner registry cleaner after that wouldn't hurt.

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 m> But there was a bottom portion to the AVG box that said I had
 m> negative one days until my trial version expired. and I should buy
 m> now to continue my protection.  Just what it's said for the last 20
 m> days, but now the number is negative.  

sounds like you installed the trial version of the pay flavor of AVG instead of
installing the AVG Free version...

you might try uninstalling all AVGs and cleaning out your registry and the left
over directories and files related to AVG... don't forget the "Application
Data" directory and what it may have hidden in there for AVG... then make sure
you have the AVG Free version to install and see what happens with that...

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On Tuesday, April 30, 2013 11:38:26 PM UTC+8, micky wrote:
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I've had AVG Free since a few months ago, which I prefer over Avast! since less resource intensive and seems to do just as good or nearly as good job (same thing these days, as most viruses are rare except the common ones).

So far so good, no nag screens.  Maybe after a year or so it will silently change (since they always seem to have 'updates') but so far it's fine.

RL

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Which viruses by name would be common to you? I've noticed the opposite  
effect on systems here. AVG usually chews more resources than Avast. Which  
versions have you compared?
  


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On Thursday, December 12, 2013 2:08:40 AM UTC+8, Dustin wrote:  
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The ones that are common Dustin.  You can Google it. What I say is also ver
ified by Gizmo's Freeware site (they say the same thing, that most 'in the  
wild' viruses or malware are the 'common' varieties, and a 80% detection ra
te, such as currently found in Microsoft Security Essentials, is good enoug
h protection).


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The freeware versions.

RL

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Are they talking about actual viruses or trojans tho Ray? Malware is such..  
a fun catchy term, but not very descriptive on it's own.

I specifically asked you to list these common viruses. Now your telling me  
to google them? And some freeware site has verified this? With most in the  
wild viruses OR malware are the 'common' varieties? I'm sure you can  
understand my confusion here...

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I understand that, I really do. Unwilling to go ahead and pir8 av, but  
you'll pir8 the OS? I don't understand that, but whatever floats your boat.  
Aside from "the freeware versions" WHICH VERSION NUMBERS specifically did  
you test against each other for system resource hogging? I'll do my best to  
be so specific as to be anal with you in the future, ok?


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On Friday, December 13, 2013 1:10:32 AM UTC+8, Dustin wrote:  
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I doubt anybody but you and Dave even care anymore about defining 'malware' vs a true 'virus'.  Let's just call it "badware" for something you don't want on your system, including a Potentially Unwanted Program (PUP).

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I'm not a psychologist Dustin, so no, I don't understand your confusion.  Seems you get confused a lot in your dotage.

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Why would I trust a pirated version of an anti-virus program? Isn't that an invitation to allow a trojan into your system?  Logic, old man, is not your forte.

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You just answered your own question:  none, "OTHER THAN" the freeware versions.  Logic again...lacking.

RL

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On Thu, 12 Dec 2013, RayLopez99 wrote to All:


 R> On Friday, December 13, 2013 1:10:32 AM UTC+8, Dustin wrote:  
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 R> I doubt anybody but you and Dave even care anymore about defining
 R> 'malware' vs a true 'virus'.  

errrmmm... the entire industry is and has been trying to educate the masses on
these distinctions for years and they continue to do so... the differences
*are* important...

the main problem is trying to get the ignorant exposed to the training and
understanding... then you have those "mules" that have been lead to water and
forcibly shoved under it and they still refuse to see or drink and yet they
wonder why they are all wet :?

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RayLopez99 presented the following explanation :

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http://securityspread.com/2013/09/04/antivirus-detection-rate-list-updated-rank/

Some interesting comments as well.



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"FromTheRafters" wrote:

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That's for Apple Mac only. No mention of MSE.



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Ant formulated on Thursday :
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I was mostly following on the idea of 80% is good enough.

They've got an interesting methodology too. It looked to me like they  
infect an environment with every malware they got, and then try out the  
different AV programs on it. Doesn't that open the door for one malware  
to alter another malware in such a way that it is no longer detected?  
IOW *if* there was a virus, might it not infect some worms and trojans  
and mess up the 'signature' that a detector looks for to identify them?



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"FromTheRafters" wrote:

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I see. That wasn't clear.

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Was the malware active or just sitting there as files? If it's active
then I suspect there were no viruses in that lot otherwise they might
have noticed and changed their methodology.

Also, I'm not sure you can conclude very much given their small sample
size. I know the Mac is not as popular a target as Win machines so
perhaps there isn't the variety of malware for it. By that, I really
mean how it's packed. The huge quantity of different samples available
for Windows is down to the exe-packer/obfuscator changing frequently
with the hidden payload staying much the same. If their samples are
representative of what's out there for the Mac then I'd expect a
higher detection rate.



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Ant explained :
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Perhaps I was confused again, here is their write-up on their  
methodology:

http://securityspread.com/testing-methodology/

It reads to me like they make some bad assumptions, but I'm no expert.

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Could be. Couldn't a worm or a trojan also be capable of implementing a  
'startup' or 'guardian' scheme by encrypting a program file and  
assuming its name - you know, like encrypting Mac's equivalent of  
notepad and putting a replacement program named 'notepad' that 'does  
something' and then decrypts the original and passes program flow to  
it? If another program altered the file and it was then encrypted by  
this program - the AV has no chance of detecting the previous  
modification.

I'm not saying this can happen on a Mac, and it's not important I  
guess, but it just seems to me that each malware sample should be  
detected in a 'playground' not shared with so many other active malware  
programs.

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Good point, I don't usually draw any conclusions from tests with small  
sample sets. I also tend to not agree that MSE is 'good enough' just  
because it reaches the threshold of 80% detection rate as someone  
suggested. I'm sure that a program that only detects the top 100 or  
1000 malware programs sorted by prevalence has its uses, and *may*  
achieve results nearing that 80% mark if the sample set is small enough  
or 'cooked'.



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On Friday, December 13, 2013 2:25:35 AM UTC+8, FromTheRafters wrote:
  
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Yes, indeed. Below is one such comment.  The 80% rule is "good enough" for  
'most' situations, and it is speculated that criminals do most of their wor
k with the remaining 20%, some of which is not even zero-day attacks but ex
ploits that the black hats have discovered before the white hats have--a so
rt of 'arms race'.  But unless you are an Iranian working on some nuclear p
roject, or some high-profile corporation like Google targeted by that state
-sponsored hacker group off of Hong Kong, I doubt (I could be wrong) that y
ou have to worry about this 20% much, for casual home or ordinary office us
ers like most of us.  And if you're part of that high-profile Iranian/Googl
e crowd, most commercial a/v s/w won't save you anyway (but better firewall
s will, and prohibiting workers from using USB sticks unless they are from  
known sources)--though F-Secure was the exception to this rule (they pointe
d out the Stuxnet virus for the first time).

RL

comments section, on why McAfee falls below even the 80% threshold but does
 not seem to care much that they do:

 I believe McAfee once said their clients are mostly corporate so they have
 to be a lot more careful with false positives. If their antivirus detects  
something as malicious and it isn’t, the implications are much more serio
us as there will be a lot of corporate users freaking out. While I understa
nd that reasoning I do not find it an excuse for performing so poorly. If t
his really is their reasoning then they are being way to cautious as stuff  
that is obviously malware is not detected by them.

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RayLopez99 formulated on Friday :
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That seems like a good reason to *not* settle for 80% to me.

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Ummm, that makes me wonder what the writer thinks a zero-day exploit  
is.



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