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In the May 8 issue of PC Mag- I see a comparison of AV products- with MS's
Live OneCare at the bottom. Is it really that bad?


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would be nice if you listed the top 5

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yes, it's really that bad... it might get better in the future, but for
now it's probably best to avoid it...

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| In the May 8 issue of PC Mag- I see a comparison of AV products- with MS's
| Live OneCare at the bottom. Is it really that bad?

Y E S  !

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On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 19:52:34 -0400, David H. Lipman

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While it may be crap, if you actually check the site, the ranking is listed
as N/A.  If you click on the linkl for the review, it states that they
are waiting until the crapware is out of beta, before they actually include
it, in their rewiews.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

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Windows Live One Care should of been called "Windows Live Non Care"   With
all the choices for AV software out here on the market these days - its
ultimately the end user - whose going to decide what they're going to
install and use for a AV solution.    http://www.av-comparatives.org is a
site that seems to be on the up an up - as source of reliable information
about most of the products available.

When people have asked me "What should I use for an anti-virus?",  I tell
them simply: What works for me, might not work well for you. Don't switch
your current AV until you've done some hard target research.  Problem with
most folks these days, is having the time.

Sure theres a lot of people who swear Norton is great - but theres an equal
number of other people who want Peter Norton to be tarred and feathered too.
LOL.

Which leads to an interesting question:  Is an all in one security suite for
Firewall, Anti-virus, Spyware control and PC maintenance needs - any better
than installing and using standalone applications?
I've always been a mix and match sort of guy myself.

 



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| Windows Live One Care should of been called "Windows Live Non Care"   With
| all the choices for AV software out here on the market these days - its
| ultimately the end user - whose going to decide what they're going to
| install and use for a AV solution.    http://www.av-comparatives.org is a
| site that seems to be on the up an up - as source of reliable information
| about most of the products available.
|
| When people have asked me "What should I use for an anti-virus?",  I tell
| them simply: What works for me, might not work well for you. Don't switch
| your current AV until you've done some hard target research.  Problem with
| most folks these days, is having the time.
|
| Sure theres a lot of people who swear Norton is great - but theres an equal
| number of other people who want Peter Norton to be tarred and feathered too.
| LOL.
|
| Which leads to an interesting question:  Is an all in one security suite for
| Firewall, Anti-virus, Spyware control and PC maintenance needs - any better
| than installing and using standalone applications?
| I've always been a mix and match sort of guy myself.
|

I have done tests on the Microsoft Engine and Signatures and I came to my own
conclusion
many months ago and succeeding tests fared no better.  In my tests, whui always
used NEW
malware, Microsoft scored a catch rate of 40% ~ 60%.  I actually posted my test
results,
with log files where available, on the Microsoft m.p.s.v News Group.  When I
tested Windows
Live OneCare I could NOT extract a usable log.  The web site would not let you
copy from the
web site and pste in a text file or save a log file.  That in itself is
problematic.

I bevlieve in max-and-matching security utilities as the all in one suites are
not good.
You can always pick the best of all companies but I guarantee that NO company
has a "best in
class" in all security applications in their suite.  When it comes to a FireWall
application, I think they ONLY should be on notebooks, desktops should always
behind an
appliance.  That appliance should be a simple NAT Router or a more complex fully
implemented
FireWall appliance.

BTW:  Your post "Heres the issue. . .as I see it" was quite accurate.

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Dave
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On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 22:58:25 GMT David H. Lipman wrote:

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A question:  Why a software firewall ONLY on notebooks?  A router blocks
incoming trash but doesn't usually say anything about what's trying to "call
home", on either a laptop or desktop.
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without distortion.

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| A question:  Why a software firewall ONLY on notebooks?  A router blocks
| incoming trash but doesn't usually say anything about what's trying to "call
| home", on either a laptop or desktop.

Because notebooks are used to travel and you want that level of security if you
are in a
WiFi HotSpot, Hotel, friend's house, etc.

Since a desktop is at home, you have control.  You have less control of your
environment
when you take your notebook out of your enclave.

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Dave
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On Tue, 05 Jun 2007 00:29:23 GMT David H. Lipman wrote:

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True.  I also want that level of security at home.

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I have similar control of the laptop and use it in the same manner as the
desktop; email, surfing, news groups, etc.  I can't read the computer's mind
without a little help in either case.
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Ernie B.

Communication:  The art of moving an idea from one mind to another, hopefully
without distortion.

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| On Tue, 05 Jun 2007 00:29:23 GMT David H. Lipman wrote:
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|>> A question:  Why a software firewall ONLY on notebooks?  A router blocks
|>> incoming trash but doesn't usually say anything about what's trying to "call
|>> home", on either a laptop or desktop.
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| True.  I also want that level of security at home.
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| I have similar control of the laptop and use it in the same manner as the
| desktop; email, surfing, news groups, etc.  I can't read the computer's mind
| without a little help in either case.

At home, behind an appliance, you know that you are protected against hackers
and Internet
worms.  If done correctly you are well protected.  It is when you take the
computer on the
road (read notebook) that you are less secure requiring a FireWall.

What I am trying to say here is that you are safer in your home network if setup
correctly
and you don't need a software FireWall.  When you are NOT at hi\ome you habve
little or no
control on what can see your computer (read notebook) and you need extra
protection and thus
the FireWall on the PC.  That is unless you want to carry a notebook and a
poratble FireWall
appliance.


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On Tue, 05 Jun 2007 00:54:13 GMT David H. Lipman wrote:

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"If done correctly ..." is the catch here.  My point is that a software
firewall like Zonealarm adds protection against a Trojan or adware calling
out, from whatever incorrectness may have happened.

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IMO a software firewall adds protection to either variety of computer and
doesn't cost very much in resources.  A "belt and suspender" situation in the
case of a desktop.

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I don't carry a router with my laptop but I do have iPIG,
<http://www.iopus.com/iPig/ , as well as Zonealarm installed on it.
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Ernie B.

Communication:  The art of moving an idea from one mind to another, hopefully
without distortion.

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| On Tue, 05 Jun 2007 00:54:13 GMT David H. Lipman wrote:
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| "If done correctly ..." is the catch here.  My point is that a software
| firewall like Zonealarm adds protection against a Trojan or adware calling
| out, from whatever incorrectness may have happened.

The Trojan should NOT have gotton on the PC in the first place.


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| IMO a software firewall adds protection to either variety of computer and
| doesn't cost very much in resources.  A "belt and suspender" situation in the
| case of a desktop.
|

Actually it does have a cost on resources.  RAM, clock-cycles, disk space and
user attention
to FireWall Pop-Up messages.


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| I don't carry a router with my laptop but I do have iPIG,
| <http://www.iopus.com/iPig/ , as well as Zonealarm installed on it.

Well at least I can say ZoneAlerm is a good FireWall.  iPig also looks good.

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Dave
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On Tue, 05 Jun 2007 02:02:57 GMT David H. Lipman wrote:

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Stuph happens though, I'm not perfect.
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"... doesn't cost very much ...".  IMO it's worth the cost but you are free to
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I agree about ZA.  

I think iPIG is good but I don't have much experience with it since I only
make about two trips per year.  It's especially good with wireless
connections, like in a hotel.
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Ernie B.

Communication:  The art of moving an idea from one mind to another, hopefully
without distortion.

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If malware is trying to call home it already owns your computer. Using a
software firewall to catch malware after the fact is not a good security
practice. Malware can use many ways to bypass an outgoing firewall. The
traffic can be hidden in normal http or whatever traffic. In XP and earlier
versions of Windows it's pretty trivial for a program to gain system level
access and bypass a firewall. A lot of malware doesn't do this but it isn't
that hard to program. If you are relying on a software firewall to let you
know if malware is running you may be infected without knowing it. Once your
computer is owned by malware nothing on the computer can be trusted
including a firewall. There may be other reasons to monitor outgoing traffic
but finding malware isn't a valid reason for using a software firewall.

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Kerry Brown



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Hi Dave,

I've used One Care maybe about twice - if that, and I really wasn't all that
impressed with it.   In fact, it claimed to have corrected some sort of
problematic\Interface or \CLSID   registry entries that it uncovered during
it's PC Check Up phase. At the time I had IE7 (the last beta) installed.   I
wound up having to do a "repair install" within a week after that.   I'm
convinced if someone is going to use One Care regularly - to have current a
Back up of their data - along with a good known working Image of their drive
to re-install afterward.

Picking up a router makes sense to me as well. Thats next on my list of
hardware goodies to acquire.  I don't know how accurate this is, but I was
reading some other posts not long ago, and understood one can get a half way
decent router for a home connection - for $100.00 or less?  Guess I'll have
to start looking around and see.

My folks have Norton Internet Security Suite on their HP Pavillion Desktop.
What seems hillarious to me is how the damn trial version of that ran out
almost a year ago - yet there hasn't been one virus found - or problems with
malware or trojans on their PC.  Some people just have all the luck I guess.

Not to tempt fate... but I notice Mr Butts hasn't posted in a few days.
Maybe his employers finally got tired of the complaints and fired him -- or
maybe they've denied him access to newsgroups during working hours.   All we
can do is hope. :D



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plus he has other aliases


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| Hi Dave,
|
| I've used One Care maybe about twice - if that, and I really wasn't all that
| impressed with it.   In fact, it claimed to have corrected some sort of
| problematic\Interface or \CLSID   registry entries that it uncovered during
| it's PC Check Up phase. At the time I had IE7 (the last beta) installed.   I
| wound up having to do a "repair install" within a week after that.   I'm
| convinced if someone is going to use One Care regularly - to have current a
| Back up of their data - along with a good known working Image of their drive
| to re-install afterward.
|
| Picking up a router makes sense to me as well. Thats next on my list of
| hardware goodies to acquire.  I don't know how accurate this is, but I was
| reading some other posts not long ago, and understood one can get a half way
| decent router for a home connection - for $100.00 or less?  Guess I'll have
| to start looking around and see.
|
| My folks have Norton Internet Security Suite on their HP Pavillion Desktop.
| What seems hillarious to me is how the damn trial version of that ran out
| almost a year ago - yet there hasn't been one virus found - or problems with
| malware or trojans on their PC.  Some people just have all the luck I guess.
|
| Not to tempt fate... but I notice Mr Butts hasn't posted in a few days.
| Maybe his employers finally got tired of the complaints and fired him -- or
| maybe they've denied him access to newsgroups during working hours.   All we
| can do is hope. :D
|

CJ:

I use a Linksys BEFSR81.  As always I suggest to specifically block both TCP and
UDP ports
135~139 and 445 on *any* SOHO Router.

As for Butts, he has posted.  He's posted as himslef and using his Sock Puppets
such as
Sharon Franks.  He just hasn't posted in;  a.c.v, a.c.a-v or a.p.s  but he has
been active.

BTW:  lulu == jovstar58@yahoo.com == ??  :-)

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http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm



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