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Re: Any danger from people free riding on my wireless router?

On Fri, 28 Feb 2014 22:21:39 -0800 (PST), RayLopez99

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For a tech-savvy guy you sure don't explain things very well.

1. You claim to have "reset" the router.
This implies you reset it to factory defaults, therefore the default
user name and password would be restored. Someone getting into the
router management could deny you access by changing them and
reconfiguring the router. Of course, crippling the router would deny
everyone else access too, but that's beside the point. You should
always change the administrator password as one of the first things
you do to a new router.

2. You imagined a compromise where none should exist.
If you are using best practices for securing your email and web
accounts the channels should have been encrypted by your email clients
and web clients via SSL which is point to point and passes through
your routers safely so that even anyone sniffing the WiFi traffic
would not be able to read anything in those sessions. If you're not
using SSL for your email and web account access you are in very bad
shape and certainly not very savvy.

3. Wired traffic on a properly configured router never traverses the
WiFi port since the router would have taken it from one Ethernet port
to the other and it would never be repeated on the WiFi. If you were
accessing it via another (secured) WiFi node, then the traffic would
never appear on the unsecured node for the same reason as wired
traffic doesn't.  



Re: Any danger from people free riding on my wireless router?

On Thu, 27 Feb 2014 21:34:13 -0800 (PST), RayLopez99

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    New program out, from SoftPerfect

    I use their Netscan utility, useful little thing.
    I have NOT tried this one:

    http://www.softperfect.com/products/wifiguard/

    Might help you.
    []'s
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Re: Any danger from people free riding on my wireless router?

RayLopez99 wrote:  

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Yes.  Lock it down.


MAC address filtering is the most secure.


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They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety,
 deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Ben Franklin

Re: Any danger from people free riding on my wireless router?

On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 9:41:34 AM UTC+8, G. Morgan wrote:
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I presume that means something like find out the MAC address of each of the
 PCs that use the wireless access point, then somehow fiddle with the route
r so that only these addresses will be allowed by the modem/router to acces
s the internet.

This seems like a lot of work but as you say it's the easiest solution.

I found a workaround however: I simply turned off wireless capabilities and
 now I just use a long Ethernet cable for each of my PCs.  For the laptop,  
I have a very long cable which you can hook up to the laptop and surf the n
et even while sitting in the living room couch.  The only drawback is that  
it does not look cool to have a cable that's 10 meters long and snakes to t
he other room, but so be it.

RL

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Very good...


he didn't say it was the easiest solution. See above. It's worth doing.
  
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LOL. That's one way of securing your network to a point. Atleast from the  
wifi aspect... hehe.

But, slightly paranoid of you. While you can brute force some WPA routers  
and crack the WPA itself (because the router never stops you from trying),  
it's a very time consuming process. If upnp is turned off, wps is turned  
off, and the router isn't vulnerable to outside exploits and you aren't  
stupid enough to run something someone sends you.. (Oh wait, you did click  
a link I posted once; so that's iffy) you'd be more than reasonably safe if  
you also take G. Morgans advice and setup a mac filter table.

MAC's can be forged, but... who's going to take that much effort for some  
consumer network?


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Yes, it's piss easy to guess the MAC so the router will talk to you. You can  
always just brute force it. seems like alot of work for such little return.  
Did you have a specific trivial workaround in mind?

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Forged, spoofed, what the fuck ever. Are you going to get on a semantics kick  
now?  

  



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"What's the matter?"  
"I'm depressed."
"Can you drive a truck?"


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alright pooh, I'll bite.

If a router has mac address filtering enabled only devices with a matching  
MAC address get network/internet access. You don't have the list nor any of  
the devices that you could get a valid MAC address from.  

How do you intend to trivially bypass this?  

Are you going to keep changing your MAC until you hit the right one and get  
access?  

Other than a router specific exploit, the list of the mac addresses it's  
configured to allow, or a device with a valid MAC address that you can spoof,  
or brute forcing the MAC address, I'm unaware of any other method you can  
use; if you don't have physical access to the router.

So, here's your chance to shine Pooh. How would YOU evade it?

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"What's the matter?"  
"I'm depressed."
"Can you drive a truck?"


Re: Any danger from people free riding on my wireless router?

On Thu, 13 Mar 2014 10:16:01 +0000, "p-0''0-h the cat (ES)"

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    Wireshark or aircrack-ng will give you all the MACS in the
network. Then just use macchanger (Linux), or in windows, change the
MAC in hardware properties.
    Some adaptors are better than others. My Ralink 73 has never
failed me. We still get a lot of MAC-protected wireless ISPs in
Brazil. When I travel, that's what I use, when I need to send a
message or read a map.
    []'s
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We have a new policy  - Google 2012

Re: Any danger from people free riding on my wireless router?


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Shadow...... I hope Dustin has learned something!    :)

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Jax  

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    Nah, old stuff. It probably just slipped his mind.
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It's old stuff alright. I haven't used aircrack for anything in a long long  
time......

Hmm... that could give me something to do this weekend.. lol


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I called the help line. It was outsourced to Pakistan.
"What's the matter?"  
"I'm depressed."
"Can you drive a truck?"


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Ya reckon?   :)

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Jax    

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Yep, they will...

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lol..k



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I called the help line. It was outsourced to Pakistan.
"What's the matter?"  
"I'm depressed."
"Can you drive a truck?"


Re: Any danger from people free riding on my wireless router?

Shadow wrote:  

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How is one supposed to use Wireshark from outside the home?

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They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety,
 deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Ben Franklin

Re: Any danger from people free riding on my wireless router?

G. Morgan wrote:  

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Never mind...  aircrack-ng


None of my wireless NIC's work with that


  

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They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety,
 deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Ben Franklin

Re: Any danger from people free riding on my wireless router?

On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 19:14:00 -0500, G. Morgan

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    You realize you have to put them in monitor mode with
airmon-ng ?
    Then your adapter will appear as mon0 or something like that

    ifconfig  
    
    to see what it is, then monitor it with Wireshark, or
airodump-ng if you just want the MACs

    Try it with a Backtrack, now  known as Kali, boot CD/DVD.

    http://www.kali.org/

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircrack-ng

    I've found most cards are far more compatible with Linux than
with the Windows ports. Most Intel, Atheros, Ralink and Realtek work.
    []'s
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We have a new policy  - Google 2012

Re: Any danger from people free riding on my wireless router?


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Aye.
  
  
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Many don't...


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I called the help line. It was outsourced to Pakistan.
"What's the matter?"  
"I'm depressed."
"Can you drive a truck?"


Re: Any danger from people free riding on my wireless router?

On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 19:10:14 -0500, G. Morgan

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    Put it in promiscuous mode !
    Huh, sexy ...
    []'s
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We have a new policy  - Google 2012

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aircrack first, from a wireless card that's supported. You will have issues  
there. Some chipsets don't work at all. I've gotta test this laptop to see if  
it has a supported chipset. I'm thinking it doesn't....

I had one that semi did, but wouldn't always do it's thing
  



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I called the help line. It was outsourced to Pakistan.
"What's the matter?"  
"I'm depressed."
"Can you drive a truck?"


Any danger from people free riding on my wireless router?

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On Fri, 14 Mar 2014, G. Morgan wrote to All:


 GM> Shadow wrote:  

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 GM> How is one supposed to use Wireshark from outside the home?

on the laptop or other wireless device one may have in their posession at the
time ;)


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