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Any danger from people free riding on my wireless router?  

The other day, much to my chagrin, I reset the D-Link router and somehow I  
accidentally erased the flash RAM so it was set to default, meaning no pass
word for the wireless.  So for a few weeks I unknowingly had a wireless acc
ess point turned on and attracted a bunch of people from the neighborhood.  
 I was able to log on the router, turn off the wireless, and from the log I
 saw the people who had logged on (I recognized a few of them since they us
ed descriptive names for their machines, such as MariaLaptop).

My question is whether as a practical matter it matters if you are sharing  
your wireless--can somebody with non-specialized software read your email?  
 I don't think so.  I think they would need some sort of packet sniffer suc
h as Fiddler or whatnot.  These are regular neighbors, not hackers, that's  
why I say this.  As a precaution however I changed all my passwords for onl
ine accounts.

RL

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On 2014-02-28 12:34 AM, RayLopez99 wrote:
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Yes.

You should set a new password for your router. If I were you I would do  
that immediately. Open the browser and enter 192.168.1.1, which is the  
(usual) default IP address for the router. If it isn't you should be  
able to find it online. Search for '[model name & number] router IP  
address'. Setting a password is usually done by following the prompts.

Actually, any of your neighbours could do just that, and so block access  
to your own router.

HTH

--  
Best,
Wolf K
kirkwood40.blogspot.ca

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I thought the guy was trolling.  I can't believe he actually allowed
that.  He better follow your advice.  He could find himself in serious
trouble if his piggybacking "friends" are nasties.  And, of course,
there are those other super nasties who are always looking for such
opportunities.

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wrote:

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    Yes, I smell much better now. More expensive cologne.
    My grandfather used to say you could tell if a Stilton was
good and ripe if it had maggots in it. I'm not quite that far gone,
but .....
    ;)
    []'s
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Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy  - Google 2012

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    Have you downloaded or been sent ANY program from another
Usenet "friend" ? You could have been sent a key logging trojan, so
the OP will see every key you press, no matter how many thousands of
miles away you are.
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    If you are using unencrypted email or Usenet programs, sure
anyone within Wifi range can read what you send. Please tell me you
are using encryption. Also any open shares will be visible.    
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    Yes, the trojan I mentioned.
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    Yes, again, the trojan
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    Download the Kaspersky rescue cd, burn it to a USB drive, and
boot with it, and scan your PC.  

    http://support.kaspersky.com/8092

    Check that your email and Usenet clients are using encryption.
Check your wifi is using WPA encryption, and has an admin password.
    You will have to be more specific as to what you are using,
but the above should clean most things up.
    []'s
    
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Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy  - Google 2012

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Shadow wrote:
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No. I use the address for personal mail with only two people. One I've  
known in RL for years and very seldom e-mail him. Neither of those  
people send any executable attachments. Right now I have to use a web  
mail program from my ISP, but I also use my desktop to type a letter  
while not connected and only sign on to send the mail.

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I think I am! I don't have anything set to share. I have remote desktop  
turned off and also net bios(?) is turned off.

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I scan with Malwarebytes quite often. Would that program not find it?

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I have access to a full copy Kaspersky, which I assume has the feature  
you mentioned ... I just haven't taken advantage of the availability...  
yet. I'll make sure I get the oversight taken care of, but I'll check  
out your linked suggestion. [g] Thanks!

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    The whole point of booting from a CD or USB is that it will
"step over" any rootkit you might have on the HD.
    Booting a rootkitted system from the compromised HD and then
running an antivirus might not detect the malware. All the AV's calls
will be handled by the rootkit, and some rootkits are very well
programmed.
    wiki rootkit
    []'s
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Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy  - Google 2012

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Shadow wrote:
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Thanks, I'll study a bit and try to follow instructions.


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On Tuesday, March 4, 2014 7:50:11 AM UTC+8, Betty wrote:
  
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Oh, hi "Betty", lol I think I know who you are...

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Yes, I think "Shadow" has it wrong, or is misleading.  Even unencrypted ema
il cannot be read by people near your Wi-Fi access point, assuming the acce
ss point is encrypted, which it almost always is (I believe the default is  
probably with encryption, with some default password like Admin).  But --an
d this might be the source of your problem-- unencrypted email can be read  
by the people at your local ISP, so it's possible the virus (or whatever ba
dware you call it) is/was at the ISP server, or, just to be more concrete,  
a rogue employee at the ISP could have copied and pasted your unencrypted e
mail to a Usenet news group.  

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No, not a trojan, which is rare these days, but more likely perhaps is the  
small ISP was hacked and all their customer emails were sent all over, not  
just "Betty's" but perhaps every customer that this ISP services.  Naturall
y the ISP would deny this, and I'm sure they would also by now have eradica
ted the virus and it's 'business as usual', so it was likely a one-time pro
blem.  

RL

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RayLopez99 wrote:
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Hi! I am this Betty:


[...]

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I'm putting a period here to end the discussion. There's more to the  
story that I'm not going to tell. I got an idea from Shadow and I am  
satisfied with his reply, but thanks. [g]

[...]

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On Mon, 03 Mar 2014 23:47:46 +0000, "p-0''0-h the cat (ES)"

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    And make sure it does not do remote firmware updates.
    ;)
    Pooh, you're confusing the poor girl. Most likely it was just
a coincidence or the neighbourhood script-kiddy hacker sniffing
unencrypted traffic.
    []'s
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Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy  - Google 2012

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On Tue, 04 Mar 2014 01:27:27 +0000, "p-0''0-h the cat (ES)"

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    You stepped into it now, Pooh.
    Don't mention Cisco .....

http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/03/hackers-hijack-300000-plus-wireless-routers-make-malicious-changes

    She probably burst into tears
    []'s
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Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy  - Google 2012

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Shadow wrote:
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I need to clear the story up a bit ... the news group post containing  
the "coincidence" was addressed to me, but not by the person to whom the  
e-mail was sent. Does that make more sense? Just a short time back (few  
weeks) a spoofer posted a scan of my personal web site. I'd have to look  
for the screen shot to recall everything that was shown. Nothing really  
important.

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    If you run your "personal web site" from your home computer,
sure, people could get in. But if it's on a remote server, much less
likely.
    []'s
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Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy  - Google 2012

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On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 01:16:10 +0000, "p-0''0-h the cat (ES)"

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    Which would make for interesting Windows security updates.
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    Very bad. She's the only girl that has ever sent me a selfie.
She probably hates me now. Snif.
    :(
    []'s
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Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy  - Google 2012

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Shadow wrote:
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[...]

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I showed you two pictures! I thought the one of me at the Painted Desert  
was pretty good. [g]

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    True. It's a pity that when you painted it you accidentally
obliterated the parts of you that could be considered, by more
religiously minded people than me, as malware. But it's the thought
that counts (and the pic).
    ;)
    []'s

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Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy  - Google 2012

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RayLopez99 pretended :
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What do you mean by 'no password for the wireless'? Do you mean only  
the wireless LAN access to the internet through the router was changed  
- like running a wifi hotspot or a guest account - or that the  
administrator access to the router itself was exposed?

At a minimum, giving internet access to others through your  
AP/Router/'modem' may be against the TOS of your ISP. Persnally, I  
wouldn't worry about it if only casual observers had access.



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On Saturday, March 1, 2014 12:26:24 AM UTC+8, FromTheRafters wrote:
  
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I mean that there's actually two routers.  A modem router and behind that,  
connected to my computers, another regular router (without the modem) that'
s also wireless, but normally with the wireless turned off.  I had reset th
e "another" router, so that instead of wireless being OFF, it was accidenta
lly turned ON, with no password needed to access the access point, and thus
 I had about a dozen people in my neighborhood free riding on it to access  
my internet (and they showed up, with their human readable names, in the lo
g file of the 'another' router.  

I disagree with resetting the router password since that's not the issue, t
he issue is the Wi-Fi accidentally being turned on (I have since turned it  
back off, which is my custom setting).  I agree with you that it's likely h
armless (I even recognize who some of the free riders are, they are my larg
ely computer illiterate neighbors, some of whom unwisely use their real nam
es to identify their machines). It is unlikely any of these people were hac
kers (though it's possible I guess) but as a precaution I changed my email  
passwords.

Goes to show what can happen to even a tech savvy guy like me.

RL

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