Antivirus Companies Fighting Unwinnable War?

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March 19, 2007: According to experts at this week’s CeBit exhibition in
Hannover, Germany, winning the war against malicious software may not
be possible.

Addressing the exhibition late last week, Eugene Kaspersky or Russia’s
Kaspersky Labs remarked that "If the growth in malware continues at the
current pace, makers of anti-virus software
http://snipurl.com/useless_software may not be able to withstand the
onslaught."

Grim words indeed. While no security vendor promises absolute and
infallible security, the sheer volume of malicious software appearing
is driving security firms towards their own Thermopylae.

Kaspersky rival F-Secure highlighted the deluge of nefarious software
claiming it can receive over 40,000 tainted file submissions some days.
"How can we deal with this avalanche," said F-Secure chief research
officer Mikko Hypponen...

Kaspersky likened the battle between antivirus vendors and malicious
software developers as a “spooky arms race” where the attackers are
disparate and invisible, and suggested a way of dealing with the
problem could be via the establishment of a UN body that would act as
“a sort of internet Interpol.”......
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A UN body? Man, that's what I call desperate.


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George Orwell wrote:
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And if these virii are email-delivered then=20
that could be an Internet "Armageddon".

One wonders how the UN could stop this=20
electronic equivalent of phonebox-smashing,=20
or graffiti-plastering by our less than=20
intelligent members of society!

Andreas Krokene
http://mail-my-family.biz/blog



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'Andreas Krokene' wrote:
| And if these virii are email-delivered then
| that could be an Internet "Armageddon".
|
| One wonders how the UN could stop this
| electronic equivalent of phonebox-smashing,
| or graffiti-plastering by our less than
| intelligent members of society!
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What is 'virii'?  Other than a failed attempt at the plural of the Latin vir
(man)?  The accepted plural for a malware virus is the same as for a
biological virus.

What is a 'phone box'?  Is that the 'public phone' that disappeared with the
triumph of the cell phone?

And most importantly, how could the UN be expected to halt malware if
halting genocide is beyond its present capability?  Interpol might have a
chance, but not the UN.

Phil Weldon

George Orwell wrote:
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| And if these virii are email-delivered then
| that could be an Internet "Armageddon".
|
| One wonders how the UN could stop this
| electronic equivalent of phonebox-smashing,
| or graffiti-plastering by our less than
| intelligent members of society!
|
| Andreas Krokene
| http://mail-my-family.biz/blog




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Phil Weldon wrote:
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Greetings Phil,

I see you are a language expert. I am=20
severely reprimanded and I repent of virii.=20
It should be viruses.


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We still have some public phones on the=20
streets in Perth, Western Australia. However=20
they are disappearing fast. Most public=20
phones aren't even in phone boxes anymore,=20
but in little egg-like shells in shopping=20
centres (shopping malls) and in small groups=20
of local shops (stores).


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The 'Toothless Tiger' is inept, but only=20
because it is manned by politicians in a=20
different guise. And it will never be any=20
different.

And that ends my off-topic rant!

Andreas Krokene.

PS  A fine day to you all!


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'Andreas Krokene' wrote, in part:
The 'Toothless Tiger' is inept, but only
because it is manned by politicians in a
different guise. And it will never be any
different.

And that ends my off-topic rant!
_____

According to this Sophos report at
http://www.sophos.com/pressoffice/news/articles/2007/01/secrep2007.html
two countries account for two thirds of malware.  So perhaps bilateral
efforts are more to the point than UN involvement.

Phil Weldon

Phil Weldon wrote:
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Greetings Phil,

I see you are a language expert. I am
severely reprimanded and I repent of virii.
It should be viruses.


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We still have some public phones on the
streets in Perth, Western Australia. However
they are disappearing fast. Most public
phones aren't even in phone boxes anymore,
but in little egg-like shells in shopping
centres (shopping malls) and in small groups
of local shops (stores).


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The 'Toothless Tiger' is inept, but only
because it is manned by politicians in a
different guise. And it will never be any
different.

And that ends my off-topic rant!

Andreas Krokene.

PS  A fine day to you all!


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On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:19:26 -0700, 4Q wrote:
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Actually, it's fairly easy to protect yourself and your customers. Most
quality firewall appliances (and servers) include the ability to remove
attachements and block content from websites, we've been using that method
for many years. What most companies fail to understand is that access to
personal email/web access, at the office, is not needed, and it's against
the best interest of the company - where a LOT of compromise takes place.

Most home users could install a simple filtering NAT device that removes
email attachments and web content and not have to worry about 90% of the
malware out there.

Since AV software is "reactionary" it doesn't do much about the new
malware, but it's very effective at keeping the old at bay.

The only positive protection is blocking of content during internet
sessions and blocking access to media sources that provide external
content (like CD/DVD/USB devices).

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If they adopt your timescales any reply might come in about 10 years
time, if you're lucky.


Jim. :)



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James Egan wrote:
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not sure what that's supposed to mean...

at any rate winning and losing are nonsense concepts in this context
(http://anti-virus-rants.blogspot.com/2007/02/are-we-winning-or-losing-or-have-we.html ),
   automation in malware analysis will only improve over time
(http://anti-virus-rants.blogspot.com/2007/01/myth-of-overwhelming-numbers.html ),
and more generally a multi-layered defense is better than a single point
of defense so users should complement their blacklists with whitelists
(http://anti-virus-rants.blogspot.com/2007/01/marcus-ranum-has-found-his-saviour-or.html
and
http://anti-virus-rants.blogspot.com/2007/01/anti-virus-is-not-faulty-burglar-alarm.html )...

and since the disreputable representative from my killfile once promised
me a troll-shrine, i'm surprised he'd have to wonder about what i'd say
to such things...

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now the idiots have taken over
spreading like a social cancer,
is there an answer?"

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Rumor has it Donald Rumsfeld has accepted the CTO position with Symantec.
Now we'll the war on malware escalate. Rumsfeld is committed to allocating
huge expenditures (several thousands of dollars) to the war on malware.



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Of course it's not possible.  Anti-Virus companies are the primary source
of viruses.  They create them and then release them into the wild through a
wide variety of means and then charge customers all the market will bear to
remove the threat.

The ONLY honest AV companies are the one's whose product is 100% free for
the user.  If you pay for an AV product, you are paying blackmail.

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From: "Aunti Virus" <"auntivyrus
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|
| Of course it's not possible.  Anti-Virus companies are the primary source
| of viruses.  They create them and then release them into the wild through a
| wide variety of means and then charge customers all the market will bear to
| remove the threat.
|
| The ONLY honest AV companies are the one's whose product is 100% free for
| the user.  If you pay for an AV product, you are paying blackmail.
|

If you believe that shit, I have a bridge to sell you!

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Why is it so hard to believe?

Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to kill me.

..or write viruses to keep themselves in business

Just like the oil industry deliberatly slows production to raise prices.
There is not and never has been any genuine shortage of oil.  There is
enough in Alaska alone to power the entire western hemisphere for
10,000,000 years.

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Oh, shit! THEN what'll we do?

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Because you are *dead* wrong???  That word will definitely not help your
paranoia....
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Every once in a while, some dingbat (or dickhead) comes up with this
amazing theory about antivirus companies......now go away and put on
your tinfoil hat.  IDIOT!!

hf





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Just because you don't like me saying it doesn't change the fact that it's
true.

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From: "Aunti Virus" <"auntivyrus
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| Just because you don't like me saying it doesn't change the fact that it's
| true.
|


Yeah and flight 800 was taken down by a missile!

Conspiracy thoeries based on BS.


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From: "Aunti Virus" <"auntivyrus
ATnym.panta-rhei.eu.org"@remailer-debian.panta-rhei.eu.org>


|
| Why is it so hard to believe?
|
| Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to kill me.
|
| ..or write viruses to keep themselves in business
|
| Just like the oil industry deliberatly slows production to raise prices.
| There is not and never has been any genuine shortage of oil.  There is
| enough in Alaska alone to power the entire western hemisphere for
| 10,000,000 years.
|

Because the biggest promoter of malware is organized crime.


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Yeah? According to who?  The anti virus companies?

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From: "Aunti Virus" <"auntivyrus
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| Yeah? According to who?  The anti virus companies?
|

Are you thick ?

Direct evidence.  I have seen/continue to see direct evidence.

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