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kurt wismer wrote:
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Indeed, most adults can handle a knife without gloves if they are
paying attention.

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@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com:

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A certain version of winamp had a bug, if you created the correct metatag
information, winamp would execute code you had stashed at the back of the
mp3. Sure, it would still play, but the code would run too. Don't get me
wrong, I love mp3s... but, don't assume they're magically safe. :) It
really depends on your player.


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Raid wrote:
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Agreed. An mp3 does not need to be executed, and should not be, so any
player that allows it, like winamp, has a bug not a feature, but it
does happen.

Microsoft tried to make web-pages executable, at the highest level, as
a feature. Bloody morons. I'm just glad none of their formats or
applications besides internet explorer have become defacto standards on
the web (and ie has been retreating lately). The only good standard
they have invented is the xmlhttprequest() as used in so-called "ajax".
It's really just like an iframe without the gui, and fairly innocuous.

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This is true. The mp3 itself isn't to blame of course, the player is due to
a bug in handling meta data. Where have we seen this problem before?
Windows media player. :)
 
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I know I read someplace about how dangerous Ajax is... I'll see if I can't
find it.


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Dustin Cook wrote:
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Another good reason not to use closed-source software if an alternative
is available.

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Please do, it seems to me that it just loads the source of a url
without rendering it on the screen. This means that you can use that
url as a function call and the resulting page as a plain text response,
without interrupting the current gui with the server-call.

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(Who'da thunk?! Our boy, Davy!)

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Laura Fredericks wrote:
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5430343841227974645&q=the+internet+is+for+porn

(and now i've infected people's minds)

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I won't be able to send you a new pic of Bug, he passed away on the 16th.

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:-(  Sorry to hear your friend is gone. But if you have a
favorite pic of him, I'd love to see it.

Even though Junior's been in Kitty Heaven for 9 1/2 years, I
think about her all the time. I sometimes forget she's gone,
and when I open my front door when I come home I think she'll
be there to greet me. :-( She even sometimes make an appearance
in my dreams...
http://www.queenofcyberspace.com/
(Scroll down to "Tribute", and then to the 2nd poem,
"Pinkerton".)

My thoughts are with you. (((Raid)))

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darwinist wrote:
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anti-virus can stop you from getting infected...

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no quality of safe hex can save you if someone releases a zero-day
exploit...

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anti-virus products can be used to keep things out...

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anti-virus products can prevent execution of the virus and therefore
prevent access to the resources required to do damage or infect...

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kurt wismer wrote:
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So can switching to pen and paper. In any case it slows you down
needlessly, if all you're trying to do is avoid viruses.

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Can you give an example from real life?

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Can you give an example of what you mean? "Anti-Virus" usually refers
to things which scan the contents of your computer (eg filesystem,
outgoing mail, running processes), looking for viruses to deal with.
Keeping things out is usually done by a firewall, or the operating
system.

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Or you can prevent the *existence* of the virus on your computer, by
not downloading it.

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darwinist wrote:
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hard to avoid what you can't easily recognize...

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well, i've written the name twice already today so a 3rd time won't
hurt... js/yamanner...

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i think this is a difference of perspective - from where i sit, just
being on the drive is not quite the same as being _in_ the system...

so my example is that i download something (on purpose) and i unpack it
(if necessary) and scan it with my anti-virus program... if it says
something's wrong then i delete it (long before it ever gets it's nasty
hooks into my system), otherwise i use it...

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i'm sorry, prescience doesn't seem to come standard with the human
condition...

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kurt wismer wrote:
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Well no, so you only download from trusted sources.

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The problem is that trusted sources cannot be trusted to not have a virus.
If you only got your executables from trusted sources, you could avoid
"almost" all malware. AV can help with the rest. If you judge a "virus" to
be that which "antivirus" is against, then you judge wrongly. What AV is
now is an "enabler" of unsafe practices. What it was, was a necessary
tool to detect that which is not as easily avoided as what you envision.



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darwinist wrote:
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and who should i trust? microsoft? they've accidentally distributed
malware in the past... nobody's infallible, not even trusted sources...

which is not to say that one shouldn't also incorporate a preference for
dealing only with trusted sources into one's defenses - it's just not
sufficient by itself...

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sources...


Remember, MS distributed the first macro viruses!

Me thinks we have created a home grown troll on this topic. The horse is
dead, it's time to stop feeding him!

Chas.



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* * Chas wrote:
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Yeah I'm sick of this thread too, but I can't stop arguing.

I think I've made my point, use whatever practices and tools you think
work best, but don't rely on software to understand security for you,
and don't think you can get away without understanding security if
you've got good enough software.

I've avoided malware through a combination of safe file-types (eg no
video file should be an .exe), trusted sources, open-source software
and an exclusive (white-list) firewall. I don't like the way anti-virus
can slow down a system, (even sending emails) but there's nothing
inherently wrong with it, it's not as easy to control a computer as
your arsehole, so there's no real shame in AV software, it's not quite
as extreme as adult diapers, but it is, almost entirely unnecessary.

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Oh yeah,

And look down the muzzle of your gun to determine if it is loaded.


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Yeah baby !!!  :-)

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