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optikl wrote:
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Yeah looks good. What am I supposed to have caught?


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The joke?

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Noel Paton wrote:
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Noel, he must be a thick one.

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No doubt about that - but a thick 'what?

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| As I said, give me any url and I will go there with my browser and no
| anti-virus software.
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No matter how stringtley you may want to argue this point, I will by no means
get you
infected.  I know I could give you a URL and you would have more activity on
your PC then
you could deream about with the Haxdoor RootKit, non-viral malware and viral
malware
installed within 60 secs.  I will tell 'y there are some real nasty ones, by the
Russian
Mob, that are in the Internet domain, .BIZ

I am NOT about getting people infected.  Just the opposite.  I wouldn't even do
it to prove
I'm right.  Those who know me will concur.  If you want to dig your heels in the
sand and
play Tommy (as in the Who's movie/album) that's your right.  However I'm here,
in this and
other virus related News Groups, to provide the facts that under the right
conditions you
can be infected within seconds.

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm



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Indeed. I'd disagree as well, based on the number of infections machines
that were on my bench this week. I was able to harvest some decent samples
tho, so I can't complain too much.
 
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Yep.. so true



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Dustin
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http://www.boycottriaa.com
http://p2pnet.net


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| Indeed. I'd disagree as well, based on the number of infections machines
| that were on my bench this week. I was able to harvest some decent samples
| tho, so I can't complain too much.
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| Yep.. so true
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Dustin ?
RAID ?

You are confusing my puny brain.  I thought you wanted to get away from being
RAID na dthe
VXer days and now be Dustin the BugHunter Cook.  Also are now going to STOP
using Google and
use XNews ?

Anyway...

Go to;  alt.binaries.comp.virus
Look for ther post entitled "A Hijacking Problem"
The graphics in this post are ALL generated by the Vundo Trojan/Virtuomunde
Adware.

Note the Domain  posted in the URL of the graphic Image1.jpg

--
Dave
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http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm



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Woops. I was messing around with Xnews configuration. Sorry :)
 
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Yep. I've seen some of these on infected clients.
 
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So noted. :)
 



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Dustin
Sites I find interesting:
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http://p2pnet.net


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troll

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cheaper
out.

Back in 2000, I tried to read a message in the alt.comp.virus newsgroup
using OE at the time.

I got hit with a "DOS Device in Pathname Vulnerability" attack. NAV was
useless in stopping the attack. I installed the MS Windows 98 Security
Patch which was just released that day. It took several hours to get my
PC back and running properly.

Perhaps one of the current AV programs may have prevented the attack.

I do a lot of online research in materials technology and I frequently
get redirected to a malware site by a bad link. About once every 2-3
weeks, NOD32 warns me that a site is trying to DL some kind of malware,
either a virus or a trojan.

An hour checking the OP troll's PC with AdAware, SpyBot, a good anti
trojan program and a good AV program would probably reveal some
interesting results.

The only way to keep your PC completely safe is to keep it turned off!
Anyone who connects to the internet in any way is susceptible to
malware. Anyone who receives a file from another PC is susceptible. Over
the past 11 years I encountered viruses in commercial software
installation disks twice - once on a floppy and once on a CD.

Time is money - a fool and his money are soon parted!

Chas.



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* * Chas, 6/21/2006, 1:19:01 PM,

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Unless you have "Boot from Network" or "Wake on LAN" enabled.

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* * Chas wrote:
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I'll tell you another current program that would have prevented the
attack: Thunderbird.

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So don't buy closed-source software when you can possibly avoid it.
When you can't, well, I guess you or your clients need a pack of
diapers with that.
 
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| * * Chas wrote:
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| I'll tell you another current program that would have prevented the
| attack: Thunderbird.
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| So don't buy closed-source software when you can possibly avoid it.
| When you can't, well, I guess you or your clients need a pack of
| diapers with that.
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Thunderbird has been updated due to vulnerabilities.

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Dave
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David H. Lipman wrote:
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Yeah exactly. Isn't that a better approach than waiting for the
vulnerabilities to be exploited, before acting to catch the intruders?
If you're in your own house, isn't locking the door better than sitting
with a shotgun pointed at it?

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| Yeah exactly. Isn't that a better approach than waiting for the
| vulnerabilities to be exploited, before acting to catch the intruders?
| If you're in your own house, isn't locking the door better than sitting
| with a shotgun pointed at it?
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Who said the vulnerabilities weren't actively being exploited ?

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David H. Lipman wrote:
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Look it up yourself. I read tech news all the time and I use
thunderbird and firefox myself and I've never seen a security hole in
these programs fixed *after* a real-life attack; rather the pattern is
that someone found a "potential" vulnerability, and a patch was
released within a day. Perhaps fixing the bug after it causes problems
has happened, but it would have to be the exception, unlike outlook
where it is the rule.

Hey don't get me wrong, if you've got a virus, get rid of it. But the
odds of getting a virus without installing it yourself are almost zero.
Any program that allows viruses in and doesn't get patched for months
or years after the hole is discovered, can be considered a virus
itself. Like AIDS which damages your immune system and lets other
viruses in, so is most microsoft software.

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Being bad software is not the same as being a virus, plus you are
confusing viruses with exploit based malware.Viruses don't need
vulnerabilities to work, they only require normal functionality. You
admitted to your use of Thunderbird as a browser after declaring
that all one has to do is not use vulnerable software while even
Thunderbird has had vulnerabilities (you break your own rule).

If you don't have the means to detect viruses, then you are vulnerable
to them if you take in and execute executables (including mobile code
such as Java which may be tranparent).

I use IE w/no ActiveX, scripting, Java, or Flash animation (I set them
all to prompt).



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edgewalker wrote:
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They also have to go to a compromised site before the hole is patched.
I've never had a problem. Also thunderbird is an email client, firefox
is the browser.

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Nevertheless, vulnerable software is vulnerable software. I am not one
to argue against your underlying point - it is a fact that most of today's
malware is fairly easy to avoid. Most of today's malware is not viral,
and it is the virus that makes AV necessary. The exploit based malware
threat is (as you indicate) mitigated by minimizing the exposure time of
whatever vulnerabilities you do have - i.e. prompt patches and overall
more secure software (this is - not MSware). Computer viruses (real
computer viruses) have nothing to do with software that is vulnerable
to exploit code. They are programs that execute with the authority of
a program that you execute. They attach themselves to existing code
areas. If they appear as a new program (email attachment for instance)
then you can as easily avoid them as any other trojan, but if one attaches
itself to a program you trust (or is implicity trusted by the system) then
AV would become a necessary avoidance tool.

Viruses can betray trust - they can even infect a program you yourself
wrote and trust.



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edgewalker wrote:
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That's because the internet is essentially a virus-proof technology at
this point. Its users on the other hand....

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Few people know how to write real viruses anymore, it's mostly
high-level scripting which can be contained by a decent interpreter.

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Look I'm not idealist. If you've got a virus by all means get rid of
it. If there's a genuine danger of getting one no matter what you do
then get the latest scanner, but you just don't get viruses by accident
these days, or at least almost never. There is no file type or software
need that exposes you to the risk unless you are doing something very
obscure and even then it's probably just because there aren't enough
people in the field to tell you that you're doing it wrong.


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