Anti-Virus Software is like Adult Diapers

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Very few people need it. For most of us there are much cleaner, cheaper
solutions. Namely: You need to control what comes in and what goes out.

Stop wasting your time, money and dignity. Learn to control your
computer.


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Then when you log on to one of your favourite forums that has been owned
and had malicious code uploaded, you're screwed.
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Adam Piggott wrote:
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How about you don't download it. What kind of a browser allows
malicious code into your computer?


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IE, especially if you don't have it set to the highest possible
security.

Art
http://home.epix.net/~artnpeg

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Art wrote:
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Exactly, microsoft have this great idea that security is someone to
build *on top of* functionality, rather than into it.

I guess that allows them to make more individual products.

It's a good thing Bill Gates is retiring and giving all his money to
charity. It turns him away from robbing and into Robin Hood. Smart guy,
that one.


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| Adam Piggott wrote:
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| How about you don't download it. What kind of a browser allows
| malicious code into your computer?

A vulbnerable one !

All software will have a vulnerability once every so often.  Multiply that by
the number of
applications on the PC and you have a vector of infection.

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm



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David H. Lipman wrote:
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Sure if all programs of the same purpose are equally secure, and if
none of them have security settings. But all programs of the same
purpose are not equal, and many of them have security settings, so your
maths is way off. So far off in fact, as to be useless.

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| Sure if all programs of the same purpose are equally secure, and if
| none of them have security settings. But all programs of the same
| purpose are not equal, and many of them have security settings, so your
| maths is way off. So far off in fact, as to be useless.
|

All those users who have had vulnerable versions of Sun Java who were
subsequently infected
iwth the Vundo trojand and/or Virtuomunde adware will disagree with you.

This family of malware will auto-install on your PC once it exploits the
vulnerability in
older versions in Sun Java.

That's just one piece of software and I'll tell you it accounts for many malware
infections
!

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm



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David H. Lipman wrote:
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Vundo is spread manually. http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_127690.htm

Learn to recognise untrustworthy software, and don't install it.

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| Vundo is spread manually. http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_127690.htm
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| Learn to recognise untrustworthy software, and don't install it.
|

That's right.  It is a Trojan.  You go to a malicious web site, it runs a Java
Script and it
finds the vulnerable version of Sun Java.  You are then infected with the Vundo
trojan
and/or the Virtuomunde adware.  The BHO then tells you tou are infected with the
Beagle
virus or Blackworm Virus or it sends you to AMAENA.COM to to download
WinAntivirus 2006 pro
or WinAntispyware 2006 Pro or will auto install winFixer 2006.

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm



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David H. Lipman wrote:
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I've never had one myself, but according to the McAffee site I linked
to: "Trojans do not self-replicate. They are spread manually, often
under the premise that the executable is something beneficial.
Distribution channels include IRC, peer-to-peer networks, newsgroup
postings, etc." - (Under "Method Of Infection")

As I suggested earlier, learn to recognise untrustworthy software.


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darwinist wrote:

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And how do you do that? One of the tactics used by malware writers is
to disguise things so that they look trustworthy. You can't tell
whether something has a virus just by looking at it. The only way to be
100% sure of not getting a virus is to stay off the Internet and never
install anything. Even with AV software you're only 99.9% sure, but
that's still a lot better than relying on instinct.

The PC Guru: www.the-pc-guru.com


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jm wrote:
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Who you got it from is important. Also if there's a checksum you can
make sure it is what it says it is.
 
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Bull - all that tells you is that the checksum number that you get is the
same as the one that the site tells you to expect.... if the site bundles
malware and then does the checksum run, you're stuffed!

Checksums tell you that the file you receive has *probably* not been altered
from that which the checksum was originally run on - but it's possible for
two totally different files to have the same checksum, and it's also
possible for a malicious site to run the checksum after bundling malware.
--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm

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Noel Paton wrote:
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Then I recommend you don't get into the habit of downloading random
executables from random websites.

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By 'possible for two totally different files to have the same checksum'
you mean like it's possible for all roulette tables on the floor of a
casino to spin the same number at the same time?

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yep - when the tables are magnetic!

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
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http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's


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A collision it's known as I think?



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| I've never had one myself, but according to the McAffee site I linked
| to: "Trojans do not self-replicate. They are spread manually, often
| under the premise that the executable is something beneficial.
| Distribution channels include IRC, peer-to-peer networks, newsgroup
| postings, etc." - (Under "Method Of Infection")
|
| As I suggested earlier, learn to recognise untrustworthy software.

You have much to learn about vulnerabilities and exploitation !

BTW:  McAfee's web site has inadequate information on this subject matter.

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm



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David H. Lipman wrote:
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As I said, give me any url and I will go there with my browser and no
anti-virus software.

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darwinist wrote:

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www.gfy.com

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