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alternative to FrontPage please The Bicycling Guitarist 02-04-2008
Posted by The Bicycling Guitarist on February 11, 2008, 3:40 am
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> Something like Kompozer is totally inadequate for a site as large as
> yours.

I took assignement of bug 151557 at Mozilla
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=151557

and I've been using KompoZer with HandCoder 0.3.4 with latest HTML
Tidy on a regular basis for fixing hundreds of webpages (from bug
360039, bug 389104, and many webpages) and I can assure you that
KompoZer's Markup Cleaner feature is quite powerful... along with
HandCoder and an advanced text editor make it very powerful, very
reliable and very efficient at fixing a great number of bad markup
code.

Hello Gérard and thanks for trying to help, but as Berg has pointed out
several times I am not looking for an editor at all. My markup has been
valid for years with help from this newsgroup and other resources including
w3c validators and such.
Let me say it again. I am NOT looking for an editor. I AM looking for
something that has site management tools for a personal site (mine) that has
close to two hundred pages in multiple hierarchical levels. Apparently
Microsoft FrontPage is pretty darn good for those purposes. I don't use
FrontPage to generate markup and haven't for many years.



Posted by GTalbot on February 9, 2008, 6:41 pm
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On 4 f=E9v, 03:45, "The Bicycling Guitarist"
> I know and have known for years that MS FrontPage is bad for generating
> invalid code. Nonetheless I found it handy-dandy for managing my website
> because I could drag a flie from one folder to another and it would
> automagically rewrite all hyperlinks in other pages pointing to that file.=

> It also is good for site summaries, checking hyperlinks, etc.
>
> Is there something out there besides FrontPage that is so handy-dandy
> automagical for managing websites? I am more than willing to leave FrontPa=
ge
> if there is.


Hello,

First, the best solution is always hand-coded webpages by using an
advanced text editors. An WYSIWYG HTML editor will always involve a
number of well known and well documented problems:
- table layout design
- bloated markup code: e.g.:
<CENTER><DIV ALIGN=3DCENTER><P ALIGN=3DCENTER><FONT
FACE=3D"Arial,Helvetica"><FONT SIZE=3D"+1"><FONT COLOR=3D"red"><B>&nbsp;</
B></FONT></FONT></FONT></P></DIV></CENTER>
see Cleaning Up After WYSIWYG Editors
http://webtips.dan.info/wysiwyg.html (a bit outdated but still pretty
much true)
- unexpected and unrequested huge number of <br> and &nbsp;
- dependence to the WYSIWYG HTML editor in a sense that you can not
upgrade or modify the webpage easily without the generating WYSIWYG
HTML editor originally used
- absence of HTML Tidy: all of them do not have HTML Tidy built-in.
KompoZer 0.7.10 has the ability to add the extension HandCoder 0.3.4
with the latest HTML Tidy (January 25th 2008)
- dependence on a specific rendering engine and not on web standards
compliance
http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Using_Web_Standards_in_your_Web_Pages:B=
enefits_of_using_web_standards#2_risks_regarding_editing_with_a_WYSIWYG_HTML=
_editor
- only a few have an ability to submit the webpage to an online HTML
validator; none of them have a built-in HTML validator and/or a built-
in CSS validator

You have to consider the price too:
- latest DreamWeaver version is $399 US
- MS-Web Expression is $99 US

Again, the best alternative to a WYSIWYG HTML editor is hand code with
an advanced text editor (there are lots of good ones, all free, open-
source ones) and to learn the best coding techniques regarding HTML,
CSS, webpage design, accessibility: a software will never do that
well.

If you still prefer a WYSIWYG HTML editor, then I recommend

KompoZer 0.7.10
http://www.kompozer.net/

with HandCoder 0.3.4
http://fabiwan.kenobi.free.fr/HandCoder/

with latest HTML Tidy (January 25th 2008)
http://www.paehl.com/open_source/?HTML_Tidy_for_Windows

Here are my HTML Tidy settings when I use it:
--char-encoding latin1 --clean yes --doctype strict --drop-font-tags
yes --drop-proprietary-attributes yes --enclose-block-text yes --
enclose-text yes --indent auto --logical-emphasis yes --output-html
yes --replace-color yes --show-warnings no --wrap 76 --write-back yes

and to follow the KompoZer User Guide by Charles Cooke:

http://www.charlescooke.me.uk/web/
http://www.charlescooke.me.uk/web/kz-ug-home.htm

Some reading:
Using Web Standards in your Web Pages:Benefits of using web standards
http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Using_Web_Standards_in_your_Web_Pages:B=
enefits_of_using_web_standards

List of web design tips and resources for Nvu users: basically CSS
webpage templates, what to avoid, how to do things, recommendable
coding techniques, etc.
http://www.gtalbot.org/NvuSection/NvuWebDesignTips/

Regards, G=E9rard

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