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Re: Hiding the toolbar, menubar, etc?
Ok. So, you want to control the browser window of your visitors, your
users and if you could, you would want to control the coding of a 3rd
party app, right?
and the one and only purpose of this popup is
Ok, then increase the font size of that form and let's see how people
will scroll that form popup without scrollbars... because this kind of
scenario usually happen often to users over 40.
Why don't you send an email to the web designer of that 3rd party app?
Isn't that the coherent, consequent thing to do in order to address the
Yeah.. but can they save the page? You know, File/Save as, File/Save
Page as...? can they print the page without the menubar? Remember that
someone in this thread said that some info could be so important that it
would require a popup just to render the info. So, why format the popup
in a way that defeats the pursued purpose of such popup then?
The bottom line is always the same. The more (toolbars, browser
functionalities) you remove from a secondary browser window (via the
window.open() call), the more you make such window useless, unworthy,
unsuitable, anti-user, the more it goes against accessibility to
content. The more (toolbars, browser functionalities) you remove from a
secondary browser window, the more you risk getting your users, your
customers, your visitors run into problems, irritations, difficulties,
fears, whatever. The more (toolbars, browser functionalities) you remove
from a secondary browser window, the more you destroy the user
experience of your site.
The fact that now browser manufacturers are giving back to users
absolute and full veto power over toolbars and browser functionalities
is a sign that your attitude does not promote the users' objective best
interests and the designers' objective best interests in such web
You never clearly explained the webpage situation; you never talked
about a form, you never talked about scrolling before, you never talked
about a 3rd party app. You only requested technical and very targeted
questions about removing the browser toolbar and menubar in an
non-window.open-ed() browser window and you got a fair, correct and
precise answer on this. In MSIE 6 for windows, it's impossible to remove
the menubar, even if the user wants to remove it, even without an http
connection, without js, even if you were going to pay hundreds of $ to
anyone who would do it.
You're the one who posted very precise and targeted questions and you're
the one who claimed to be able to remove toolbar and menubar in NS which
is simply not true: you need to get full and complete consent from the
user in a confirm popup box to do so... and why in the world would he be
willing to do that? He can View/Show-Hide toolbars as he wishes, as it
pleases without giving a web designer's scripts with unknown intents the
power over his browser window.
Re: Hiding the toolbar, menubar, etc?
The entire post wasn't directed at you. It is intended for a larger audience
consisting of people who may read your post and assume because a "professional
developer" wants to remove menu and toolbars, it's an accepted practice. Also,
as developers, the rest of us have a vested interest in promoting proper
practices. For every developer that inappropriately messes with the users'
experience, there is another user installing software or enabling features that
make it impossible for the rest of us to rely on the behaviour of these
If Netscape 6.2.1 lets you do what you want, then it's a flaw in Netscape
6.2.1, not proper coding on your part. If you want your userbase to use a
crippled, bug-ridden browser based on a < 1.0 version of Mozilla so you can
remove their menu and toolbar, you are certainly free to do so.
Of course, I'd personally recommend Netscape 7.1, based on Mozilla 1.4, since
it contains less bugs and more features then 6.2.1.
The toolbar and menubar can not be hidden in the current window in Internet
Explorer. Of course, you'd have already known this if you'd checked the
No properties or methods listed that can used (even with extended security) to
remove the chrome elements you want to remove. Also, reading documentation
provides you with a way to do what you want in Netscape 7.1:
<url: http://www.mozilla.org/docs/dom/domref/dom_window_ref.html#1004028 />
"To toggle the visibility of these bars, you must either sign your scripts or
enable the appropriate privileges, as in the example above. Also be aware that
dynamically updating the visibilty of the various toolbars can change the size
of the window rather dramatically, and may affect the layout of your page."
* Internet Explorer DOM Reference available at:
* Netscape 6/7 DOM Reference available at:
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