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Wait a second, I know HTML, I know CSS, I know ASP, and dabble in
And with knowledge of all these tools, I do not believe I ever ran
into page design I could not build.
I believe what you meant to say is that if a designer believes in
"your web philosophy", then they would not "want" to build anything
your philosophy considers an impossible page.
Travis, you miss the point. You, dorayme and I are alike, we know enough
about the entire process so as to be able to produce a good looking page
quite easily. So are most of the other regulars here.
My gripe is the short of "shops" that Jeff is talking about where you have a
bunch of piss arse "designers" over there in the corner drinking cafe late'
and eating the odd croissant. Every now and then one of them comes up with a
great new "design" the he has carefully prototyped on a piece of paper, with
instructions as to how it should behave in the time dimension scribbled on
the back of a sitemap.
Said "design" is flicked over to the poor HTML "coder", alone in his cubicle
with his Coke and Pizza and keyboard.
That is the poor bugger who comes over here with his problem. He is getting
paid a wage by a boss that does not know that his "designers" know nothing
noun> and he is expected to produce something that simply cannot be done
using the tools of his trade. Oh, and if the poor coder wants to add a tool
(flash comes to mind :-) ) to his armoury then he has to wait ten weeks for
IT to approve the installation, that is after Finance has allowed the money
to be spent.
Er, what? I don't think I meant to say that at all, whatever it means :-)
Did I say all that? I believe I spoke on behalf of designing careful
templates and that it is rare to find someone with both great design and
programming skills. I also wrote on behalf of site maintainability and
that I've seen what happens to a site when some new webdesigner takes on
Myself, I either work with a small web design shop where I get the
completed templates, usually edited in Dreamweaver and I wire them up or
I work entirely on my own.
I'm a little appalled that all of you apparently design sites that
can best be maintained only by yourself.
Every now and then one of them comes up with a
Travis Newbury wrote:
Well that's probably a better business model than mine. I don't see
much Mom and Pop though, but I can see how they are less willing to
spend money up front but expect continuing expenses.
I remember when reselling hosting was a big part of business.
I have never used Frontpage but my favourite bit of Dreamweaver is the
CSS editor. If you select anything on the page, either in the HTML or
in the WYSIWYG editor, Dreamweaver shows you all the CSS that applies
to it. If you select a property it shows you where that property is
defined and all the other properties that are defined there; the
location of any overridden properties that will apply to the selection
is displayed. You can edit the CSS at any level without opening the
CSS file or finding the CSS code in the HTML file.
Anyway, why not try it and see what you think?