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Posted by Sam Hughes on August 18, 2004, 3:48 am
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> Andrew Urquhart wrote:
>
>> Just one of the reasons:
>> http://www.google.co.uk/webmasters/guidelines.html
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> interesting.. my site is purely personal and of no commercial
> interest, so I have never really made an effort to appear on search
> engines, and anyway, I was always under the impression that for your
> site to be seriously picked up by any relevant search engines you
> had to pay.. there are services that for a fee will make yr site be
> picked up by search engines.. is this right??
Scam artists etc. If people link to your page, search engines will come.
Even if a site is non-commercial, you may wish for search engines to be
able to index it well when they get to it, so that people who are
interested in what is on your Web page can find it easily.
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Posted by Dr John Stockton on August 18, 2004, 4:29 pm
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dated Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:30:11, seen in news:comp.in
fosystems.www.authoring.html, Frances Del Rio
>interesting.. my site is purely personal and of no commercial interest,
>so I have never really made an effort to appear on search engines, and
>anyway, I was always under the impression that for your site to be
>seriously picked up by any relevant search engines you had to pay..
>there are services that for a fee will make yr site be picked up by
>search engines.. is this right?? where engines like google and yahoo
>come in here I don't know... oh well, since I've never really delved
>too much into this subject don't know much about it I guess.. :)
My site was found by search engines without, as far
as I recall, any particular encouragement. Someone
may have linked to it.
Do search engines find a site if the ONLY reference
to it is in News (and Web pages mechanically derived
from News), either as <URL:http://www.this.that/> or
as <a href="http://www.this.that/">thisthat</a> ?
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Posted by Jan Roland Eriksson on August 19, 2004, 12:55 am
Please log in for more thread options On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:29:41 +0100, Dr John Stockton
>dated Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:30:11, seen in news:comp.in
>fosystems.www.authoring.html, Frances Del Rio
>
>>interesting.. my site is purely personal and of no commercial interest,
>>so I have never really made an effort to appear on search engines, and
>>anyway, I was always under the impression that for your site to be
>>seriously picked up by any relevant search engines you had to pay..
No, there are no such things involved at the basic level. But naturally
money will "grease the wheels" if you are inclined to do that.
Take a dive into Google to find out what they have to offer as "extras"
:-)
>My site was found by search engines without, as far
>as I recall, any particular encouragement.
Sound structural markup of content with a _very_ small level of
repetition in headlines and main content of relevant keywords for the
subject that is described. I.e. just write headlines and content as you
would like it to appear in a publication that you would pay money for at
your local news stand.
>Someone may have linked to it.
For some search engines that might help a bit on the way, still it's not
a requirement.
>Do search engines find a site if the ONLY reference
>to it is in News...
They will find it even if it's only mentioned in "the land that is not".
Try that search criteria, quotes included, and look at hits around 4-8
in Google. I have never ever made that page public to any one, it was
still found somehow.
It represents one of my very early exercises in CSS too, IE4 was "hot"
when I wrote it but since it still shows in modern browsers as I once
suggested, I may have done something right for once :-)
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Rex
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Posted by Matt on August 19, 2004, 12:31 am
Please log in for more thread options Jan Roland Eriksson wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:29:41 +0100, Dr John Stockton
>
>>dated Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:30:11, seen in news:comp.in
>>fosystems.www.authoring.html, Frances Del Rio
>>
>>>interesting.. my site is purely personal and of no commercial interest,
>>>so I have never really made an effort to appear on search engines, and
>>>anyway, I was always under the impression that for your site to be
>>>seriously picked up by any relevant search engines you had to pay..
>
> No, there are no such things involved at the basic level. But naturally
> money will "grease the wheels" if you are inclined to do that.
> Take a dive into Google to find out what they have to offer as "extras"
> :-)
Be wary of people offering to promote your site for you.
>>My site was found by search engines without, as far
>>as I recall, any particular encouragement.
Likewise.
> Sound structural markup of content with a _very_ small level of
> repetition in headlines and main content of relevant keywords for the
> subject that is described. I.e. just write headlines and content as you
> would like it to appear in a publication that you would pay money for at
> your local news stand.
>
>>Someone may have linked to it.
>
> For some search engines that might help a bit on the way, still it's not
> a requirement.
If there's no link anywhere, how will it be found? Maybe the Google
toolbars (e.g. in IE and Opera) will help for Google.
>>Do search engines find a site if the ONLY reference
>>to it is in News...
It found mine. For a while, the only links I could find were on Usenet
(according to the logs) yet it ranked surprisingly high.
> They will find it even if it's only mentioned in "the land that is not".
>
> Try that search criteria, quotes included, and look at hits around 4-8
> in Google. I have never ever made that page public to any one, it was
> still found somehow.
Maybe a referrer log was published? Or your own log? Or a Google toolbar
or similar 'saw' it?
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Posted by Kris on August 19, 2004, 1:47 am
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> > Try that search criteria, quotes included, and look at hits around 4-8
> > in Google. I have never ever made that page public to any one, it was
> > still found somehow.
>
> Maybe a referrer log was published? Or your own log? Or a Google toolbar
> or similar 'saw' it?
There are some weblogs around that like to publish links to sites that
refer to them by picking up any sort of referer header from inbound
visitors. One such a website once linked to a site I look after. This
appeared in a (webalizer) page analyzing my server logs, so I decided to
follow the link back to the weblog. With my webalizer page suddenly
published in thw weblog's referer section, Google was easy to catch up
on any pages that appear in my server stats (which are a lot, some of
them not so much prepared for public consumption).
The conclusion is, that for many of the pages I never made public,
Google found it's way in through websites that carelessly pick up and
publish inbound links.
Of course I should have put the stats behind HTTP authentication or
something to prevent all this.
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Kris
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