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Windows 2003 R2 delegated permissions are not available for some users in an OU markbritt 01-02-2007
Posted by markbritt on January 2, 2007, 12:15 pm
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Created a group called HelpDesk that will allow those users to unlock
an account via a custom MMC console. The group HelpDesk has four IT
members in it. In AD Users and Computers, I highlighted the domain and
involked the Delegation of Control wizard. I added the HelpDesk group
and allowed them to 'reset' the password. I then went into the
permissions and checked the Write LockoutTime and ReadLockoutTime
values and saved.

When I look at my Users Accounts OU, the security tab (advanced view)
for all members shows the HelpDesk having special permissions - EXCEPT
for 2 of the accounts. Both of these accounts were part of Domain
Admins some time ago, but have been removed from that account. This
was done before the HelpDesk group was even created. It appears that
once one of my users is part of the Domain Admins group, the delgate
permissions do not apply to them. Is this correct? What can I do to
force the inherited permissons from the OU to apply two my 2 'orphaned
users'? Any helpd would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Mark


Posted by Laura E. Hunter [MVP] on January 2, 2007, 1:42 pm
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You're seeing a behaviour related to the adminSDHolder process, see the
following article for an explanation of what's happening:
http://msmvps.com/blogs/ulfbsimonweidner/archive/2005/05/29/49659.aspx.

To correct the issue for the 2 accounts who are no longer members of any
protected groups, simply modify the user objects using ADSI Edit (or
adfind/admod from www.joeware.net) and set their admincount attribute to a
value of zero (0).

HTH

--
Laura E. Hunter
Microsoft MVP: Windows Server - Networking
Author: _Active Directory Consultant's Field Guide_
(http://tinyurl.com/7f8ll)
Author: _Active Directory Cookbook, Second Edition_
(http://tinyurl.com/z7svl)

Responses provided as-is; no warranties expressed or implied
> Created a group called HelpDesk that will allow those users to unlock
> an account via a custom MMC console. The group HelpDesk has four IT
> members in it. In AD Users and Computers, I highlighted the domain and
> involked the Delegation of Control wizard. I added the HelpDesk group
> and allowed them to 'reset' the password. I then went into the
> permissions and checked the Write LockoutTime and ReadLockoutTime
> values and saved.
>
> When I look at my Users Accounts OU, the security tab (advanced view)
> for all members shows the HelpDesk having special permissions - EXCEPT
> for 2 of the accounts. Both of these accounts were part of Domain
> Admins some time ago, but have been removed from that account. This
> was done before the HelpDesk group was even created. It appears that
> once one of my users is part of the Domain Admins group, the delgate
> permissions do not apply to them. Is this correct? What can I do to
> force the inherited permissons from the OU to apply two my 2 'orphaned
> users'? Any helpd would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Mark
>



Posted by markbritt on January 2, 2007, 5:12 pm
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Laura:
Thanks for the info - indeed both accounts had the admincount attribute
set to 1. Set it to 0. According to the link you provided, it could
take about an hour before the thread will run. Checked these accounts
2 hours later and while the attribute is set to 0, I still dont have
the HelpDesk group listed in the Security tab, nor am I able to modify
the lockout on these two accounts. Did I need to do something else
other than change this attribute?

Thanks,
Mark

Laura E. Hunter [MVP] wrote:
> You're seeing a behaviour related to the adminSDHolder process, see the
> following article for an explanation of what's happening:
> http://msmvps.com/blogs/ulfbsimonweidner/archive/2005/05/29/49659.aspx.
>
> To correct the issue for the 2 accounts who are no longer members of any
> protected groups, simply modify the user objects using ADSI Edit (or
> adfind/admod from www.joeware.net) and set their admincount attribute to a
> value of zero (0).
>
> HTH
>
> --
> Laura E. Hunter
> Microsoft MVP: Windows Server - Networking
> Author: _Active Directory Consultant's Field Guide_
> (http://tinyurl.com/7f8ll)
> Author: _Active Directory Cookbook, Second Edition_
> (http://tinyurl.com/z7svl)
>
> Responses provided as-is; no warranties expressed or implied
> > Created a group called HelpDesk that will allow those users to unlock
> > an account via a custom MMC console. The group HelpDesk has four IT
> > members in it. In AD Users and Computers, I highlighted the domain and
> > involked the Delegation of Control wizard. I added the HelpDesk group
> > and allowed them to 'reset' the password. I then went into the
> > permissions and checked the Write LockoutTime and ReadLockoutTime
> > values and saved.
> >
> > When I look at my Users Accounts OU, the security tab (advanced view)
> > for all members shows the HelpDesk having special permissions - EXCEPT
> > for 2 of the accounts. Both of these accounts were part of Domain
> > Admins some time ago, but have been removed from that account. This
> > was done before the HelpDesk group was even created. It appears that
> > once one of my users is part of the Domain Admins group, the delgate
> > permissions do not apply to them. Is this correct? What can I do to
> > force the inherited permissons from the OU to apply two my 2 'orphaned
> > users'? Any helpd would be appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mark
> >


Posted by Joe Richards [MVP] on January 3, 2007, 5:37 pm
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After you clear admincount you need to reenable inheritence on the ACL,
look under the security tab in advanced. The sdprop thread only takes
permissions away when admincount is 1, it doesn't put perms back in
place if admincount isn't 1, that would be a trainwreck.

--
Joe Richards Microsoft MVP Windows Server Directory Services
Author of O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition
www.joeware.net


---O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition now available---

http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm


markbritt wrote:
> Laura:
> Thanks for the info - indeed both accounts had the admincount attribute
> set to 1. Set it to 0. According to the link you provided, it could
> take about an hour before the thread will run. Checked these accounts
> 2 hours later and while the attribute is set to 0, I still dont have
> the HelpDesk group listed in the Security tab, nor am I able to modify
> the lockout on these two accounts. Did I need to do something else
> other than change this attribute?
>
> Thanks,
> Mark
>
> Laura E. Hunter [MVP] wrote:
>> You're seeing a behaviour related to the adminSDHolder process, see the
>> following article for an explanation of what's happening:
>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/ulfbsimonweidner/archive/2005/05/29/49659.aspx.
>>
>> To correct the issue for the 2 accounts who are no longer members of any
>> protected groups, simply modify the user objects using ADSI Edit (or
>> adfind/admod from www.joeware.net) and set their admincount attribute to a
>> value of zero (0).
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> --
>> Laura E. Hunter
>> Microsoft MVP: Windows Server - Networking
>> Author: _Active Directory Consultant's Field Guide_
>> (http://tinyurl.com/7f8ll)
>> Author: _Active Directory Cookbook, Second Edition_
>> (http://tinyurl.com/z7svl)
>>
>> Responses provided as-is; no warranties expressed or implied
>>> Created a group called HelpDesk that will allow those users to unlock
>>> an account via a custom MMC console. The group HelpDesk has four IT
>>> members in it. In AD Users and Computers, I highlighted the domain and
>>> involked the Delegation of Control wizard. I added the HelpDesk group
>>> and allowed them to 'reset' the password. I then went into the
>>> permissions and checked the Write LockoutTime and ReadLockoutTime
>>> values and saved.
>>>
>>> When I look at my Users Accounts OU, the security tab (advanced view)
>>> for all members shows the HelpDesk having special permissions - EXCEPT
>>> for 2 of the accounts. Both of these accounts were part of Domain
>>> Admins some time ago, but have been removed from that account. This
>>> was done before the HelpDesk group was even created. It appears that
>>> once one of my users is part of the Domain Admins group, the delgate
>>> permissions do not apply to them. Is this correct? What can I do to
>>> force the inherited permissons from the OU to apply two my 2 'orphaned
>>> users'? Any helpd would be appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Mark
>>>
>

Posted by markbritt on January 4, 2007, 3:28 pm
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That did the trick. Thanks all.

Mark

Joe Richards [MVP] wrote:
> After you clear admincount you need to reenable inheritence on the ACL,
> look under the security tab in advanced. The sdprop thread only takes
> permissions away when admincount is 1, it doesn't put perms back in
> place if admincount isn't 1, that would be a trainwreck.
>
> --
> Joe Richards Microsoft MVP Windows Server Directory Services
> Author of O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition
> www.joeware.net
>
>
> ---O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition now available---
>
> http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm
>
>
> markbritt wrote:
> > Laura:
> > Thanks for the info - indeed both accounts had the admincount attribute
> > set to 1. Set it to 0. According to the link you provided, it could
> > take about an hour before the thread will run. Checked these accounts
> > 2 hours later and while the attribute is set to 0, I still dont have
> > the HelpDesk group listed in the Security tab, nor am I able to modify
> > the lockout on these two accounts. Did I need to do something else
> > other than change this attribute?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mark
> >
> > Laura E. Hunter [MVP] wrote:
> >> You're seeing a behaviour related to the adminSDHolder process, see the
> >> following article for an explanation of what's happening:
> >> http://msmvps.com/blogs/ulfbsimonweidner/archive/2005/05/29/49659.aspx.
> >>
> >> To correct the issue for the 2 accounts who are no longer members of any
> >> protected groups, simply modify the user objects using ADSI Edit (or
> >> adfind/admod from www.joeware.net) and set their admincount attribute to a
> >> value of zero (0).
> >>
> >> HTH
> >>
> >> --
> >> Laura E. Hunter
> >> Microsoft MVP: Windows Server - Networking
> >> Author: _Active Directory Consultant's Field Guide_
> >> (http://tinyurl.com/7f8ll)
> >> Author: _Active Directory Cookbook, Second Edition_
> >> (http://tinyurl.com/z7svl)
> >>
> >> Responses provided as-is; no warranties expressed or implied
> >>> Created a group called HelpDesk that will allow those users to unlock
> >>> an account via a custom MMC console. The group HelpDesk has four IT
> >>> members in it. In AD Users and Computers, I highlighted the domain and
> >>> involked the Delegation of Control wizard. I added the HelpDesk group
> >>> and allowed them to 'reset' the password. I then went into the
> >>> permissions and checked the Write LockoutTime and ReadLockoutTime
> >>> values and saved.
> >>>
> >>> When I look at my Users Accounts OU, the security tab (advanced view)
> >>> for all members shows the HelpDesk having special permissions - EXCEPT
> >>> for 2 of the accounts. Both of these accounts were part of Domain
> >>> Admins some time ago, but have been removed from that account. This
> >>> was done before the HelpDesk group was even created. It appears that
> >>> once one of my users is part of the Domain Admins group, the delgate
> >>> permissions do not apply to them. Is this correct? What can I do to
> >>> force the inherited permissons from the OU to apply two my 2 'orphaned
> >>> users'? Any helpd would be appreciated.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Mark
> >>>
> >


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