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Win2003 Servers hidden from Network Browse list when using IPSec ericchri_FND98 09-12-2006
Posted by ericchri_FND98 on September 12, 2006, 3:39 pm
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My Active Directory domain is set up in such a way that the computers
on the domain are supposed to use IPSec communication with each other
(currently Authentication only, we may move to Encryption once I have
more issues tested and working). To do so we created a new OU into
which we move all our member computers, and group policy forces
computers in that OU to use IPSec. The two domain controllers remain
in the Domain Controllers OU, and are exempted completely from IPSec,
as is required. The Domain controllers also run DNS for our domain,
and one of them (nominally the backup) acts as the WINS server for our
domain.

All of my WinXP workstation boxes which have been added to the OU
requiring IPSec have functioned just fine. They communicate using
IPSec where they are supposed to, and all show up in the Network
Browse List. My Windows 2003 Servers (member servers, not domain
controllers), however, are all invisible to the Network Browse list.
They are registered properly in both DNS and WINS. I can enumerate
resources from those servers with a command such as "net view
\servername" and map drives and printers and the like, ping them by
name, etc... Everything except for being able to go out to My Network
Places, and browse out to them through the Microsoft Network.

If I do a "Browstat Status " from any of my Windows XP systems, I get
everything returning properly as it should be. From my Windows 2003
Servers, the results of the browstat status indicate they are unable to
determine the Master Browser, even though all these system,
workstations or servers, are essentially configured identically as far
as network properties, domain, OU, etc... I have manually configured
all my Windows Servers to not attempt to act as the Master Browser
for the segment (IsDomainMaster registry setting), excepting the PDC,
and only the other domain controller among my servers has the
MaintainServerList registry setting enabled.

At this point I'm kinda stumped, I've dug around on the internet quite
a bit trying to find what might cause the servers to act differently
than the XP workstations, but to no avail.


Posted by Roger Abell [MVP] on September 12, 2006, 10:41 pm
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You may be better off posting this to a networking newsgroup, as it is
pretty much a networkiing issue.
You did not state what filter rules are in use in the IPsec defs, so I just
assume all protocols/ports are allowed both ways if the SA binding can
be established for the AH packetting you are requiring.
I cannot off hand think of what differences in the defaults for IPsec in
W2k3 vs XP and w2k (and there are some) could be causing what you
report, and given that the 2k3 are successfully registering in WINS it is
opaque what is happening.
Let me recap . . .
The W2k3 are getting their names into WINS
The browselist on XP are showing everything except the W2k3
When on a W2k3 you do have a bowse list ? (i.e. someone is
successfully responding to their broadcast for a list?)

Here is an experiment, especially if your answer to the last one
is that no, they do not have a browselist.
Put an XP on the segment of the W2k3.

I am wondering, did you previously, before using IPsec, have
your servers resticted as to being master browsers??

Here is the thrust of the "put an XP on the segment" experiment.

You are allowing a Domain Master Browser to exist.
The browselist on a browsing machine is served to it by a Master
Browser. The Domain Master Browser collects and merges the
segmentwise lists from the Master Browser, adds domain info it
gets by reference to Wins / external domains, and then the Domain
Master Browser redistributes this to the Master Browsers.
So, either you do not have a Master Browser on the W2k3 segment
feeding into the Domain Master Browser, or your W2k3 are not
answering its broadcasts when it forms its segment list.




> My Active Directory domain is set up in such a way that the computers
> on the domain are supposed to use IPSec communication with each other
> (currently Authentication only, we may move to Encryption once I have
> more issues tested and working). To do so we created a new OU into
> which we move all our member computers, and group policy forces
> computers in that OU to use IPSec. The two domain controllers remain
> in the Domain Controllers OU, and are exempted completely from IPSec,
> as is required. The Domain controllers also run DNS for our domain,
> and one of them (nominally the backup) acts as the WINS server for our
> domain.
>
> All of my WinXP workstation boxes which have been added to the OU
> requiring IPSec have functioned just fine. They communicate using
> IPSec where they are supposed to, and all show up in the Network
> Browse List. My Windows 2003 Servers (member servers, not domain
> controllers), however, are all invisible to the Network Browse list.
> They are registered properly in both DNS and WINS. I can enumerate
> resources from those servers with a command such as "net view
> \servername" and map drives and printers and the like, ping them by
> name, etc... Everything except for being able to go out to My Network
> Places, and browse out to them through the Microsoft Network.
>
> If I do a "Browstat Status " from any of my Windows XP systems, I get
> everything returning properly as it should be. From my Windows 2003
> Servers, the results of the browstat status indicate they are unable to
> determine the Master Browser, even though all these system,
> workstations or servers, are essentially configured identically as far
> as network properties, domain, OU, etc... I have manually configured
> all my Windows Servers to not attempt to act as the Master Browser
> for the segment (IsDomainMaster registry setting), excepting the PDC,
> and only the other domain controller among my servers has the
> MaintainServerList registry setting enabled.
>
> At this point I'm kinda stumped, I've dug around on the internet quite
> a bit trying to find what might cause the servers to act differently
> than the XP workstations, but to no avail.
>



Posted by ericchri_FND98 on September 14, 2006, 10:42 am
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> So, either you do not have a Master Browser on the W2k3 segment
> feeding into the Domain Master Browser, or your W2k3 are not
> answering its broadcasts when it forms its segment list.
>
>
>

Well, I have the answer now. Essentially you were correct. A
colleague I also posed this problem to directed me to the following
Microsoft article.

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;811832

Essentially, WinXP workstations exempt broadcast and multicast traffic
from IPSec filtering, but the Win2003 servers do not. Changing the
NoDefaultExempt registry setting as referred to in this article from 3
to 1 on my servers allows them to respond to a broadcast by the Master
Browser presumably, so they now appear in the browse list.


Posted by Roger Abell [MVP] on September 14, 2006, 11:07 am
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You know, they really do have a KB for just about everything
if one can only find them ;-(
Good your environment is now whole.

>> So, either you do not have a Master Browser on the W2k3 segment
>> feeding into the Domain Master Browser, or your W2k3 are not
>> answering its broadcasts when it forms its segment list.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Well, I have the answer now. Essentially you were correct. A
> colleague I also posed this problem to directed me to the following
> Microsoft article.
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;811832
>
> Essentially, WinXP workstations exempt broadcast and multicast traffic
> from IPSec filtering, but the Win2003 servers do not. Changing the
> NoDefaultExempt registry setting as referred to in this article from 3
> to 1 on my servers allows them to respond to a broadcast by the Master
> Browser presumably, so they now appear in the browse list.
>



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