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Why are we experiencing a table sizing issue with set pixel widths? ITistic 05-21-2008
Posted by ITistic on May 21, 2008, 3:48 pm
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http://tinyurl.com/5z4yo4

When viewing this page in Internet Explorer for the first time the
outer most table is much wider than it should be and then slowly
resizes to the correct size as images are loaded. It's impossible for
us to set the dimensions of the product images as they are unknown to
the e-commerce software which generates these pages. The pages display
in Firefox perfectly.

What can we do to correct this?

Posted by dorayme on May 21, 2008, 7:22 pm
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> http://tinyurl.com/5z4yo4
>
> When viewing this page in Internet Explorer for the first time the
> outer most table is much wider than it should be and then slowly
> resizes to the correct size as images are loaded. It's impossible for
> us to set the dimensions of the product images as they are unknown to
> the e-commerce software which generates these pages. The pages display
> in Firefox perfectly.
>
> What can we do to correct this?

First thing to do is to correct the "Failed validation, 153 Errors" at
http://validator.w3.org/

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Posted by Jim Moe on May 22, 2008, 1:12 am
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On 05/21/08 12:48 pm, ITistic wrote:
> http://tinyurl.com/5z4yo4
>
> When viewing this page in Internet Explorer for the first time the
> outer most table is much wider than it should be and then slowly
> resizes to the correct size as images are loaded. It's impossible for
> us to set the dimensions of the product images as they are unknown to
> the e-commerce software which generates these pages. The pages display
> in Firefox perfectly.
>
> What can we do to correct this?

Provide the width of the images. How do you get the images?
Do you have some sort of server-side application that generates the
(godawful) HTML code? If so, use that application's services to query the
image size.

The site has worse problems than twitchy tables. The layout is extremely
fragile. Even slightly increasing the text size causes rapid degradation
of the display.
The text size is set to 11px, 68% of my preferred size (16px). I have a
minimum font size of 13px (which I find barely readable) and the first
impression of your site was "Yuck!" because the layout fell apart.
Then there are all of the validation errors.... For instance, mixing
HTML and XHTML syntax is inexcusably sloppy.

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Posted by ITistic on May 22, 2008, 12:01 pm
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> On 05/21/08 12:48 pm, ITistic wrote:
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/5z4yo4
>
> > When viewing this page in Internet Explorer for the first time the
> > outer most table is much wider than it should be and then slowly
> > resizes to the correct size as images are loaded. It's impossible for
> > us to set the dimensions of the product images as they are unknown to
> > the e-commerce software which generates these pages. The pages display
> > in Firefox perfectly.
>
> > What can we do to correct this?
>
> Provide the width of the images. How do you get the images?
> Do you have some sort of server-side application that generates the
> (godawful) HTML code? If so, use that application's services to query the
> image size.
>
> The site has worse problems than twitchy tables. The layout is extremely
> fragile. Even slightly increasing the text size causes rapid degradation
> of the display.
> The text size is set to 11px, 68% of my preferred size (16px). I have a
> minimum font size of 13px (which I find barely readable) and the first
> impression of your site was "Yuck!" because the layout fell apart.
> Then there are all of the validation errors.... For instance, mixing
> HTML and XHTML syntax is inexcusably sloppy.
>
> --
> jmm (hyphen) list (at) sohnen-moe (dot) com
> (Remove .AXSPAMGN for email)

The images are uploaded through a piece of software which does not
store the image dimensions. I'd rather not have to programatically
open each image to determine it's dimensions before serving as that
would put a heavy load on the server. I just thought it'd be possible
to somehow tell IE not to render them so big initially before they
were downloaded. You'd think it's render them smaller before it knew,
not bigger. Firefox does exactly that.

Posted by Jim Moe on May 22, 2008, 5:30 pm
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On 05/22/08 09:01 am, ITistic wrote:
>>
>> Provide the width of the images. How do you get the images?
>> Do you have some sort of server-side application that generates the
>> (godawful) HTML code? If so, use that application's services to query the
>> image size.
>>
> The images are uploaded through a piece of software which does not
> store the image dimensions. I'd rather not have to programatically
> open each image to determine it's dimensions before serving as that
> would put a heavy load on the server. I just thought it'd be possible
> to somehow tell IE not to render them so big initially before they
> were downloaded. You'd think it's render them smaller before it knew,
> not bigger. Firefox does exactly that.

You'll have to ask MS about IE's odd behavior. Since MS made no changes
to the HTML or CSS aspects of IE6 for 5 years, your only hope is that it
is not a problem in IE7. Or IE8.
Or query the image file for its width and add it to the <img> element's
attributes. Have you run any benchmarks to determine what the server load
might be? Or you could cache the image sizes for lookup later.

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