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Webpage access Stephen 03-15-2006
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Posted by Stephen on March 15, 2006, 8:34 pm
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Hello,

dunno if that is a Newbie question or not and maybe somebody can help.
I have programmed a couple of my own pages just using a texteditor. I
use very simple language and frames. No fancy gimmicks, no jawa, gifs,
colors, fonts or anything, just simple html language with loads of
pictures embedded and text. (See here e.g. www.stephenbottcher.net)

Now here's my question:
1) Say, frame A has a.htm as its source
2) Say, frame B has b.htm and so on
3) the index.htm contains the frame information and subsequently
calls up a.htm and b.htm into the respecting frames.

Now, somebody could directly access a.htm or b.htm and would not see
any of the other frames and contents. The content would not make
sense.

Question:
By using HTML language, is there a way to figure out whether index.htm
had requested the a.htm page or of the request came through from
somewhere else?

The idea is, if I coulsd detect that somebody wanted to access a page
which without the other frames does not make sense (is out of context)
I would immediately redirect the request to the index.htm and
everybody would be happy.

I hope what I say makes sense to somebody.

Anybody?

Thanks. Stephen

Posted by Mark Parnell on March 15, 2006, 9:11 pm
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Deciding to do something for the good of humanity, Stephen
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html:

> Now, somebody could directly access a.htm or b.htm and would not see
> any of the other frames and contents. The content would not make
> sense.

Welcome to one of the many problems with frames.

> By using HTML language, is there a way to figure out whether index.htm
> had requested the a.htm page or of the request came through from
> somewhere else?

No. HTML can't *do* anything. It merely describes the structure of the
content.

> The idea is, if I coulsd detect that somebody wanted to access a page
> which without the other frames does not make sense (is out of context)
> I would immediately redirect the request to the index.htm and
> everybody would be happy.

It can be done with Javascript, but that won't work for anyone with
Javascript disabled/unavailable.

Best solution is to ditch the frames.

--
Mark Parnell

Now implementing http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html

Posted by David E. Ross on March 16, 2006, 11:47 pm
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Stephen wrote:
> Hello,
>
> dunno if that is a Newbie question or not and maybe somebody can help.
> I have programmed a couple of my own pages just using a texteditor. I
> use very simple language and frames. No fancy gimmicks, no jawa, gifs,
> colors, fonts or anything, just simple html language with loads of
> pictures embedded and text. (See here e.g. www.stephenbottcher.net)
>
> Now here's my question:
> 1) Say, frame A has a.htm as its source
> 2) Say, frame B has b.htm and so on
> 3) the index.htm contains the frame information and subsequently
> calls up a.htm and b.htm into the respecting frames.
>
> Now, somebody could directly access a.htm or b.htm and would not see
> any of the other frames and contents. The content would not make
> sense.
>
> Question:
> By using HTML language, is there a way to figure out whether index.htm
> had requested the a.htm page or of the request came through from
> somewhere else?
>
> The idea is, if I coulsd detect that somebody wanted to access a page
> which without the other frames does not make sense (is out of context)
> I would immediately redirect the request to the index.htm and
> everybody would be happy.
>
> I hope what I say makes sense to somebody.
>
> Anybody?
>
> Thanks. Stephen

After I load your page with frames, I might want to view each frame in a
separate tab within my browser window. This is a capability of my
browser. You want to prevent me from doing this?

--

David E. Ross
<http://www.rossde.com/>

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into your E-mail? Use PGP.
See my <http://www.rossde.com/PGP/>

Posted by Harlan Messinger on March 17, 2006, 9:36 am
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Stephen wrote:
> Hello,
>
> dunno if that is a Newbie question or not and maybe somebody can help.
> I have programmed a couple of my own pages just using a texteditor. I
> use very simple language and frames. No fancy gimmicks, no jawa, gifs,
> colors, fonts or anything, just simple html language with loads of
> pictures embedded and text. (See here e.g. www.stephenbottcher.net)
>
> Now here's my question:
> 1) Say, frame A has a.htm as its source
> 2) Say, frame B has b.htm and so on
> 3) the index.htm contains the frame information and subsequently
> calls up a.htm and b.htm into the respecting frames.
>
> Now, somebody could directly access a.htm or b.htm and would not see
> any of the other frames and contents. The content would not make
> sense.

Which is one of the reasons why it's best not to use frames.

>
> Question:
> By using HTML language, is there a way to figure out whether index.htm
> had requested the a.htm page or of the request came through from
> somewhere else?

Usually, but not reliably.

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