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Posted by Stefan Ram on November 28, 2008, 10:04 am
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>I've done a web page. It is correct by all the standards I can see.
(This does not directly refer to your site:)
Left with a choice between HTML 4.01, XHTML 1.0, or XHTML 1.1,
and possibly HTML 3.2, XHTML 2.0 or HTML 5.0, there is no
/standard/, there are /specifications/.
To me, a »standard« for websites, would be a selection of a
single one from those specifications to be used on all web
pages, either by enforcement through authorities or by
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overwhelming use (say, > 75 %) of this single specification.
Today, IIRC, only 10 % of all web pages are valid. So,
technically, the other 90 % do not comply with any
specification. This means that pages complying with any
of specifications mentioned make up for less then 10 % of
the WWW. So none of the above specifications can be seen
as an actual standard. An example for a standard that is
both specified and widely used, would be the gregorian
calendar (at least in certain countries) or the metric
system (in certain countris). So, such a thing as a standard
actually is possible, we just do not have it in the web.
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Posted by Guy Macon on November 28, 2008, 2:02 pm
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Eric Lindsay wrote:
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>I've done a web page. It is correct by all the standards I can see. If
>your browser will not display it, complain to the maker of the broken
>browser. Every other browser I have tried seems to work fine. They even
>tell me if I have an error. Seems to me I have done my part of the job.
>It is the users' job to use the right tool to view web pages.
The above is such a great idea that I have decided to take it
one step further. I am converting all of my web pages so that
they only display properly when viewed with GeoWrite running
on the GEOS operating system on a Commodore 128. This is correct
by all the standards in place for Commodore systems. Yes, it
is a bit of extra effort buying a C128 on eBay, but like you
say, it is the users' job to use the right tool to view web
pages. Thanks ever so much for the enlightenment; I thought
that it was the web author's job to avoid putting up arbitrary
barriers to the majority of his readers for no apparent reason.
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Guy Macon
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<http://www.GuyMacon.com/>
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Posted by Guy Macon on November 29, 2008, 6:50 am
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Guy Macon <http://www.GuyMacon.com/> wrote:
>Eric Lindsay wrote:
>>I've done a web page. It is correct by all the standards I can see. If
>>your browser will not display it, complain to the maker of the broken
>>browser. Every other browser I have tried seems to work fine. They even
>>tell me if I have an error. Seems to me I have done my part of the job.
>>It is the users' job to use the right tool to view web pages.
>The above is such a great idea that I have decided to take it
>one step further. I am converting all of my web pages so that
>they only display properly when viewed with GeoWrite running
>on the GEOS operating system on a Commodore 128. This is correct
>by all the standards in place for Commodore systems. Yes, it
>is a bit of extra effort buying a C128 on eBay, but like you
>say, it is the users' job to use the right tool to view web
>pages. Thanks ever so much for the enlightenment; I thought
>that it was the web author's job to avoid putting up arbitrary
>barriers to the majority of his readers for no apparent reason.
Well, my experiment was a failure. There were still a few people
who could read the webpage. I am in the process of making it so
that you can only read the page if you are running Electric
Pencil on a PDP8 running an Altair simulator.
Thanks again to Eric for showing me how much more design freedom
I can have if I just manage to get rid of all of those pesky users...
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Guy Macon
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<http://www.GuyMacon.com/>
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Posted by Eric Lindsay on November 28, 2008, 7:37 am
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> > One of those problems is IE users. There is a solution for that.
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> A good one is not to use XHTML until the figure of 80% plus of users in
> the world can benefit from it.
Another is to stop catering to broken browsers.
Or would you like to argue that IE is not broken? I think I could still
probably find the places in the IE Blog where they admit IE is broken
(and explain their reasons why they will not fix it).
I must admit that changing http://carlylegardensgnome.com to correctly
served XHTML has been a very refreshing experience. Hardly any technical
problems (so far). It turned out I didn't even need any server changes,
since files with an xhtml extension were served correctly by default.
But a number of people basically saying you can't do that!
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http://www.ericlindsay.com
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Posted by Holger Jeromin on November 28, 2008, 9:09 am
Please log in for more thread options Eric Lindsay schrieb am 28.11.2008 13:37:
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> Or would you like to argue that IE is not broken? I think I could still
> probably find the places in the IE Blog where they admit IE is broken
> (and explain their reasons why they will not fix it).
perhaps you mean:
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/09/15/467901.aspx
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Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Holger Jeromin
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