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Posted by Ben C on November 28, 2008, 3:23 am
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>> Eric Lindsay wrote:
>> > I have never tried to do XHTML before.
>> > This has been for pretty much the reason you suggest, that it seemed the
>> > only sensible way to produce a web site is with HTML 4.01 Strict.
>> > However I have a potential site that doesn't need to cater to any major
>> > number of visitors, and would have a very narrow and restricted range of
>> > people interested in it (the 700 or so at Carlyle Gardens).
>>
>> Or, rather, the 150 people or so at Carlyle Gardens who will actually be
>> able to see your site. I continue to fail to see why you don't care that
>> most of your intended audience will actually be barred from seeing your
>> site, or what it is you're seeking approval for here if you don't care
>> about that.
> While I am barred from using IE (unless I buy a new computer that can
> run Windows), I don't see that someone who normally uses IE is barred
> from my site. If I understand how the site will appear using a mixture
> of HTML and XHTML pages, I should be able to give an appropriate warning
> on the (HTML only) home page about the need to use a browser that
> follows W3C and RFC suggestions.
> There are three free browsers (Firefox, Opera, Safari) on my computer,
> and they all appear to work with correctly served xhtml. I have not seen
> anything to suggest that a Windows user of IE could not install free
> browsers such as Chrome, Firefox, Opera or Safari on their computer. You
> would not seriously suggest these additional browsers somehow preclude
> the use of IE most of the time?
> I have never sought approval here for the use of xhtml. I have sought
> (and received) advice about the problems I may encounter when using (or
> attempting to use) xhtml. I expect most of the problems will be
> technical, due to my lack of understanding of xhtml and how servers work
> with it.
> One of those problems is IE users. There is a solution for that. IE
> users need to also get a browser that works the way W3C says browsers
> should work.
> Microsoft signed up to W3C long ago, and had the first browser to handle
> CSS. I gather one of their present IE team leaders, Chris Wilson, was a
> major contributor to XHTML. I am sorry that Microsoft have not followed
> through sufficiently with CSS2.1 and XHTML support in IE6, IE7 and IE8,
> but that was not my decision.
Well said. If web authors don't stop pandering to IE one day, where's
the pressure for Microsoft to fix it? Sure they get sued now and again
but commercial pressure is the only kind they really understand. The day
the web looks worse in IE is the day they start doing something about
it. Until recently it actually looked better.
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>> > I have never tried to do XHTML before.
>> > This has been for pretty much the reason you suggest, that it seemed the
>> > only sensible way to produce a web site is with HTML 4.01 Strict.
>> > However I have a potential site that doesn't need to cater to any major
>> > number of visitors, and would have a very narrow and restricted range of
>> > people interested in it (the 700 or so at Carlyle Gardens).
>>
>> Or, rather, the 150 people or so at Carlyle Gardens who will actually be
>> able to see your site. I continue to fail to see why you don't care that
>> most of your intended audience will actually be barred from seeing your
>> site, or what it is you're seeking approval for here if you don't care
>> about that.
> While I am barred from using IE (unless I buy a new computer that can
> run Windows), I don't see that someone who normally uses IE is barred
> from my site. If I understand how the site will appear using a mixture
> of HTML and XHTML pages, I should be able to give an appropriate warning
> on the (HTML only) home page about the need to use a browser that
> follows W3C and RFC suggestions.
> There are three free browsers (Firefox, Opera, Safari) on my computer,
> and they all appear to work with correctly served xhtml. I have not seen
> anything to suggest that a Windows user of IE could not install free
> browsers such as Chrome, Firefox, Opera or Safari on their computer. You
> would not seriously suggest these additional browsers somehow preclude
> the use of IE most of the time?
> I have never sought approval here for the use of xhtml. I have sought
> (and received) advice about the problems I may encounter when using (or
> attempting to use) xhtml. I expect most of the problems will be
> technical, due to my lack of understanding of xhtml and how servers work
> with it.
> One of those problems is IE users. There is a solution for that. IE
> users need to also get a browser that works the way W3C says browsers
> should work.
> Microsoft signed up to W3C long ago, and had the first browser to handle
> CSS. I gather one of their present IE team leaders, Chris Wilson, was a
> major contributor to XHTML. I am sorry that Microsoft have not followed
> through sufficiently with CSS2.1 and XHTML support in IE6, IE7 and IE8,
> but that was not my decision.