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Posted by Alan J. Flavell on November 16, 2004, 9:21 pm
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On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, Chris Simon wrote:
> A bit puzzled by this...
>
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> 1. Ask the validator to look at
> http://www.nantperis.org.uk/index.php.en (the exact filename of the
> page) and it brings back an error: 300 Multiple Choices.
If you go to the advanced validation menu, and type in the
URL of your page as above, -and- click on the "validate error pages"
and "show source" boxes, then you get this:
1: <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0//EN">
2: <HTML><HEAD>
3: <TITLE>300 Multiple Choices</TITLE>
4: </HEAD><BODY>
5: <H1>Multiple Choices</H1>
6: The document name you requested (<code>/index.php.en</code>) could
not be found on this server.
7: However, we found documents with names similar to the one you
requested.<p>Available documents:
8: <ul>
9: <li><a href="/index.html.cy">/index.html.cy</a> (common basename)
10: <li><a href="/index.html.en">/index.html.en</a> (common basename)
11: </ul>
12: </BODY></HTML>
If you ask to validate -this- URL:
http://www.nantperis.org.uk/index.html.en
then it works. "Hence or otherwise deduce...".
Has your server got mod_speling enabled, perhaps?
> I could understand that if the filename was specified without the
> .en as there are more than one version of the page in different
> languages. Is it stripping the .en?
Absolutely not. You can see the .en clearly in the URL mentioned in
the validator's report.
> Has anyone managed to get it to find a .en file or is it a bug I
> should report?
The validator isn't interested in the "file" name, it's only
interested in its MIME content-type (and that's the same for every
self-respecting World Wide Web client - it's a mandatory feature of
RFC2616).
[cue the usual rant about the operating system component that
thinks it's a browser... but that doesn't seem to be part of
this particular problem.]
> 2. Ask it to validate
> http://www.nantperis.org.uk/history/church.php, again the exact
> filename of the file, I get a 404 Not Found.
I don't immediately have the answer for this one, sorry.
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Posted by Chris Simon on November 16, 2004, 10:07 pm
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Alan J. Flavell wrote:
> If you ask to validate -this- URL:
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> http://www.nantperis.org.uk/index.html.en
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> then it works.
OMG - so it does!
> Has your server got mod_speling enabled, perhaps?
No idea, but I've just done a Google on this and found that you can turn
it off with CheckSpelling Off in .htaccess. I tried that, but then got
Internal Server Error on trying to access any page! Anyway, as long as
I know to specify html instead of php then it's OK. Many thanks for
that pointer.
>>2. Ask it to validate
>>http://www.nantperis.org.uk/history/church.php, again the exact
>>filename of the file, I get a 404 Not Found.
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> I don't immediately have the answer for this one, sorry.
OK - thanks for thinking about it.
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Posted by Dave Patton on November 16, 2004, 11:41 pm
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> A bit puzzled by this...
>
> 1. Ask the validator to look at http://www.nantperis.org.uk/index.php.en
> (the exact filename of the page) and it brings back an error: 300
> Multiple Choices.
That's not what I get using Firefox. If I look at the HTTP headers,
via the LiveHTTPHeaders Firefox extension, or via:
http://www.delorie.com/web/headers.html
I don't see the 300 response from your server, so I'd guess it's
dependant on the HTTP headers sent by the W3C validator. My(limited)
understanding of content negotiation tells me that it's a valid
response, but maybe the W3C validator should list the choices
(the list should have been sent by your server), so you can select
one to validate.
> 2. Ask it to validate http://www.nantperis.org.uk/history/church.php,
> again the exact filename of the file, I get a 404 Not Found. Again, is
> this a bug?
You aren't alone on this one:
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.org.w3c.validator/3520
In that thread they indicate the problem is related to
"Accept-Language: *", so maybe that's what the W3C Validator sends?
Then again, I just tried something, and it's working now,
so you must have changed something?
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Posted by Chris Simon on November 17, 2004, 12:58 am
Please log in for more thread options Dave Patton wrote:
> That's not what I get using Firefox. If I look at the HTTP headers,
> via the LiveHTTPHeaders Firefox extension, or via:
> http://www.delorie.com/web/headers.html
> I don't see the 300 response from your server, so I'd guess it's
> dependant on the HTTP headers sent by the W3C validator.
Well, I've been playing around in the last hour or so with my web
hosting control panel, and it has a setting for indexes, i.e. whether
the server should return a list of files in a directory if there is no
index file. I turned them off, but found that broke the site for some
reason. I turned them back on again, and now I find that it all works.
I'm completely baffled. Perhaps it's now working, so in fact it's not
sending a 300 any more so you're not seeing that now.
> My(limited)
> understanding of content negotiation tells me that it's a valid
> response, but maybe the W3C validator should list the choices
> (the list should have been sent by your server), so you can select
> one to validate.
As far as I can see, the server shouldn't have returned a 300 anyway as
I was sending it the *exact* filename, not a partial name that might
match several files.
One theory I had which you hinted at here:
> You aren't alone on this one:
> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.org.w3c.validator/3520
> In that thread they indicate the problem is related to
> "Accept-Language: *", so maybe that's what the W3C Validator sends?
If the validator sends an accept type of text/html, the server may try
to find files that match that but perhaps its PHP setting isn't correct,
so it applies MultiViews and tries to find a .html file instead of a
..php file. That would explain why my index file only works if I specify
index.html not index.php because of the default index property, and why
the internal church.php page gets a 404 because there is no match for
church.html. But it doesn't seem *quite* right.
> Then again, I just tried something, and it's working now,
> so you must have changed something?
See above. I can't imagine what I've done affected anything as it's
back to what it was before.
But I'm not complaining! It's just annoying that I don't know the
reason for it.
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Posted by Chris Simon on November 17, 2004, 1:05 am
Please log in for more thread options ....anyway, this problem has brought out one good thing - I've found this
newsgroup! I went to the Validator's feedback page for help and it said
to try this group, so this has been my first post here. I think I'll
stick around...
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