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Update help and advice please Hugh Newbury 09-12-2007
Posted by Hugh Newbury on September 12, 2007, 5:37 am
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Hi:

My two websites date from the Ark, and I would like to upgrade/start
again. Please advise me where to go to get the latest reliable reference
to HTML etc. I'd prefer a book: my last buy was in 1999 (!) Osborne's
_Complete Reference to HTML_. What is the equivalent in 2007?

The reason for all this is that I discover Firefox 2.0.0.6 can't see my
frames, unlike 2.0.0.4.

Any help gratefully received.

Hugh

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Hugh Newbury

Running Linux Suse 10.1 in deepest Dorset

Posted by André Gillibert on September 12, 2007, 6:11 am
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Hugh Newbury wrote:

> Hi:
>
> My two websites date from the Ark, and I would like to upgrade/start
> again. Please advise me where to go to get the latest reliable reference
> to HTML etc. I'd prefer a book: my last buy was in 1999 (!) Osborne's
> _Complete Reference to HTML_. What is the equivalent in 2007?
>

I can at least give you a Web link to the W3C HTML 4.x recommandation:
http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/

And tutorials linked from the W3C page:
http://www.w3.org/2002/03/tutorials

You may also read Dave Raggett's tutorial linked from the tutorial page or
buy his book:
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Guide/

> The reason for all this is that I discover Firefox 2.0.0.6 can't see my
> frames, unlike 2.0.0.4.
>

Most probably, you did something very wrong.

After having read the entire HTML standard and entirely written your web
site, you may read the CSS standard, knowing that it's not part of HTML.
HTML is a semantic language describing the structure of documents.
CSS is *one* stylsheet format that allows users (and secondarily authors)
to give presentation guidelines for their structured document.

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Posted by Andy Dingley on September 12, 2007, 6:33 am
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> My two websites date from the Ark, and I would like to upgrade/start
> again. Please advise me where to go to get the latest reliable reference
> to HTML etc.

Tutorial books:

Head First HTML with CSS & XHTML, O'Reilly
Good tutorial, easy to follow (although you have to follow it, not
just "dip in") and best of all, it teaches pretty good coding style.

Cascading Style Sheets, Lie & Bos
Been around for years, still readable, still a desktop quick reference
you'll keep handy afterwards.

Tools:

Firefox, with the following extensions installed:

* Marc Gueury's HTML validator, containing both the W3C validator and
HTML Tidy. Make sure you install it to run both of them in "serial"
mode. Convenient to use and accurate.

* Web Developer toolbar (great for CSS debugging!)

* Live HTTP Headers


Recommended versions:

HTML 4.01 Strict

CSS 2.1

A doctype declaration that triggers "Standards Mode" rendering
http://hsivonen.iki.fi/doctype/

Avoid XHTML


References:

The W3C website. Accept no substitutes, if you're looking for a
"reference".


> The reason for all this is that I discover Firefox 2.0.0.6 can't see my
> frames, unlike 2.0.0.4.

Post a URL so that we can see it, there's probably some simple short-
term fix for it.


Posted by Hugh Newbury on September 12, 2007, 6:54 am
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Andy Dingley wrote:
>
>> The reason for all this is that I discover Firefox 2.0.0.6 can't see my
>> frames, unlike 2.0.0.4.
>
> Post a URL so that we can see it, there's probably some simple short-
> term fix for it.
>

www.evershot.demon.co.uk

Very many thanks for your help. I'm sure you're right that I've mucked
it up somehow trying to get it to work again.

Hugh

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Hugh Newbury

Running Linux Suse 10.1 in deepest Dorset

Posted by GArlington on September 12, 2007, 8:43 am
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> Andy Dingley wrote:
>
> >> The reason for all this is that I discover Firefox 2.0.0.6 can't see my
> >> frames, unlike 2.0.0.4.
>
> > Post a URL so that we can see it, there's probably some simple short-
> > term fix for it.
>
> www.evershot.demon.co.uk
>
> Very many thanks for your help. I'm sure you're right that I've mucked
> it up somehow trying to get it to work again.
>
> Hugh
>
> --
>
> Hugh Newbury
>
> Running Linux Suse 10.1 in deepest Dorset

Which frames can you NOT see?


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