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Trouble Following KB Article 325349 Charles 05-24-2007
Posted by Charles on May 24, 2007, 5:00 pm
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This is probably the stupidest question in the world, but here goes.

I am attempting to follow KB Article 325349
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/325349 to allow some users to manage a few
services on a 2003 Server. You know, stop / start / change the startup type
those types of things.

Hopefully someone has done this before and will follow what I am trying to
do and be able to assist.

I would like to use method 2 in the article.

Steps 1-4 go OK and I have no problemm with.

Step 5 I leave the default location and I give a name of test

Step 6 I am not sure which template I should import. I am given a choice of
6 or 7 but how do I know which is the 1 I need?

Just to see what happens I choose securews.inf

Steps 7 & 8 are pretty standard and easy enough to follow

Step 9 I double click the service I am interested in (An Oracle Service in
this case) and choose to define the policy and edit security and add the
user that I want to be able to manipulate the service into the ACL along
with all the default stuff. If I click apply and OK, I am told to
"investigate" and if I then view the security again I see everything that
was there is now gone and "Everyone" has full control.

At this point I back out of everything so as not to commit any changes.

Bottom line is I need to allow my Oracle DBA to start / stop and change the
startup type of these 4 Oracle services only and I do not want to make them
an Admin. Making them power users does not allow them to change the startup
type.

Any thoughts on how to get through the parts of the KB article I am having
problems with?



Posted by Roger Abell [MVP] on May 25, 2007, 12:30 am
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> This is probably the stupidest question in the world, but here goes.
>
> I am attempting to follow KB Article 325349
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/325349 to allow some users to manage a few
> services on a 2003 Server. You know, stop / start / change the startup
> type those types of things.
>
> Hopefully someone has done this before and will follow what I am trying to
> do and be able to assist.
>
> I would like to use method 2 in the article.
>
> Steps 1-4 go OK and I have no problemm with.
>
> Step 5 I leave the default location and I give a name of test
>
> Step 6 I am not sure which template I should import. I am given a choice
> of 6 or 7 but how do I know which is the 1 I need?

The KB is munged. Where it says
"To use security templates to change permissions on system services,
create a security template. To do this, follow these steps: "
it is mixing up what capabilities the difference snap-ins provide.

One creates, edits, saves templates with the Security Templates snap-in.
One uses an existing database, or a new one, with import of a template,
optionally clearing the sdb before the import with the Sec Config/Analysis
snap-in much as indicated.
I use an MMC with both (and some others), define a new template (which
thus has no settings to start with) or a file copy of one of my earlier
templates,
adjust the template as needed with the Sec Templates snap-in, save it,
import
it into the Sec Config/Analysis snap-in with clearing of the database,
analyze,
review the match / mismatch with the existing reference system, iterate,
until
the template meets the intended spec. This template may then be imported
into a GPO for application.
>
> Just to see what happens I choose securews.inf
>
> Steps 7 & 8 are pretty standard and easy enough to follow
>
> Step 9 I double click the service I am interested in (An Oracle Service in
> this case) and choose to define the policy and edit security and add the
> user that I want to be able to manipulate the service into the ACL along
> with all the default stuff. If I click apply and OK, I am told to
> "investigate" and if I then view the security again I see everything that

told investigate before having reanalyzed ??

> was there is now gone and "Everyone" has full control.

I would highly recommend that you define groups and use those,
instead of granting to accounts.
Be very careful about "all the default stuff" as it may not be what is
the current ACLing for the service being adjusted.
If you are doing this on an XP, be aware there is a known error.
Do this on W2k3 or a patched XP.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/894794

>
> At this point I back out of everything so as not to commit any changes.
>

Actually, use a Apply does commit changes.

> Bottom line is I need to allow my Oracle DBA to start / stop and change
> the startup type of these 4 Oracle services only and I do not want to make
> them an Admin. Making them power users does not allow them to change the
> startup type.
>
> Any thoughts on how to get through the parts of the KB article I am having
> problems with?

If you want to use GPOs to control permissions to services, see
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/324802
If you want it templated, see my comments above.
If you only want a one-off change of permissions for a service on a machine
consider use of the sc command on that machine. At cmd prompt, the sc
utility has internal syntax help - you would be using the sdset subcommand.



Posted by Charles on May 25, 2007, 6:35 pm
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>
>> This is probably the stupidest question in the world, but here goes.
>>
>> I am attempting to follow KB Article 325349
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/325349 to allow some users to manage a
>> few services on a 2003 Server. You know, stop / start / change the
>> startup type those types of things.
>>
>> Hopefully someone has done this before and will follow what I am trying
>> to do and be able to assist.
>>
>> I would like to use method 2 in the article.
>>
>> Steps 1-4 go OK and I have no problemm with.
>>
>> Step 5 I leave the default location and I give a name of test
>>
>> Step 6 I am not sure which template I should import. I am given a choice
>> of 6 or 7 but how do I know which is the 1 I need?
>
> The KB is munged. Where it says
> "To use security templates to change permissions on system services,
> create a security template. To do this, follow these steps: "
> it is mixing up what capabilities the difference snap-ins provide.
>
> One creates, edits, saves templates with the Security Templates snap-in.
> One uses an existing database, or a new one, with import of a template,
> optionally clearing the sdb before the import with the Sec Config/Analysis
> snap-in much as indicated.
> I use an MMC with both (and some others), define a new template (which
> thus has no settings to start with) or a file copy of one of my earlier
> templates,
> adjust the template as needed with the Sec Templates snap-in, save it,
> import
> it into the Sec Config/Analysis snap-in with clearing of the database,
> analyze,
> review the match / mismatch with the existing reference system, iterate,
> until
> the template meets the intended spec. This template may then be imported
> into a GPO for application.
>>
>> Just to see what happens I choose securews.inf
>>
>> Steps 7 & 8 are pretty standard and easy enough to follow
>>
>> Step 9 I double click the service I am interested in (An Oracle Service
>> in this case) and choose to define the policy and edit security and add
>> the user that I want to be able to manipulate the service into the ACL
>> along with all the default stuff. If I click apply and OK, I am told to
>> "investigate" and if I then view the security again I see everything that
>
> told investigate before having reanalyzed ??
>
>> was there is now gone and "Everyone" has full control.
>
> I would highly recommend that you define groups and use those,
> instead of granting to accounts.
> Be very careful about "all the default stuff" as it may not be what is
> the current ACLing for the service being adjusted.
> If you are doing this on an XP, be aware there is a known error.
> Do this on W2k3 or a patched XP.
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/894794
>
>>
>> At this point I back out of everything so as not to commit any changes.
>>
>
> Actually, use a Apply does commit changes.
>
>> Bottom line is I need to allow my Oracle DBA to start / stop and change
>> the startup type of these 4 Oracle services only and I do not want to
>> make them an Admin. Making them power users does not allow them to
>> change the startup type.
>>
>> Any thoughts on how to get through the parts of the KB article I am
>> having problems with?
>
> If you want to use GPOs to control permissions to services, see
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/324802
> If you want it templated, see my comments above.
> If you only want a one-off change of permissions for a service on a
> machine
> consider use of the sc command on that machine. At cmd prompt, the sc
> utility has internal syntax help - you would be using the sdset
> subcommand.

Thanks a bunch Roger. I was able to accomplish my mission with SC SDSET

I appreciate your help.

Now to start a new thread with my next stupid question



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