Click here to get back home

Toshiba Portege 3400 series new battery "problem" - short online time?

 HomeNewsGroups | Search | About
 comp.sys.laptops    Post an article   get this group's latest topics as an RSS feed add this group's latest topics to your My MSN content add this group's latest topics to your My Yahoo content
Subject Author Date
Toshiba Portege 3400 series new battery "problem" - short online time? Alex Quant 08-29-2004
Posted by Alex Quant on August 29, 2004, 9:20 pm
Please log in for more thread options
I recently picked up a "new" Portege 3000 series battery (PA2467UR -
2600mAh) which appears to be in mint and unused condition. Unfortunately it
will only deliver just over an hour of online time (from 100% to about 15% -
I won't go lower for obvious reasons) with medium CPU speed (quiet cooling,
lowest brightness setting, Speedstep set to "Battery Optimised"). This
compares poorly with an old hefty high-capacity battery (PA3039U-1BRL -
5600mAh) which delivers well over 4 hours (5 with low power management
settings). At just under half the capacity I would have expected this
PA2467UR battery to deliver around 2 hours on-line time?

The battery doesn't show a sudden drop in charge percentage which is typical
of a pack coming to its natural end.

So, I'm wondering if anyone has experience of using this battery in a
Portege 3440/80/90 and can report back the average power-on time for a good
condition battery with similar PM settings? Its being used in a 3480CT
(PIII-600MHz Speedstep).

Fortunately the seller has a very fair no-quibble refund policy - just need
to know others experiences so I can either avoid these or look elsewhere as
they may have a batch that is old or has been stored incorrectly.

Thanks,

AlexQ

~ Reply To valid ~




Posted by Barry Watzman on August 29, 2004, 8:22 pm
Please log in for more thread options
I would cycle the battery 2 or 3 times to see if it improves. Charge it
to 100%, discharge to 25% or so (not lower), you've already done one cycle.

However .....

When you cut the capacity (mah) of a battery in half, you cut the life
of the battery MORE than in half, sometimes a LOT more. Batteries
provide the most total power when the discharge rate is relatively low,
while you have gone in just the opposite direction, keeping the
discharge rate constant bud dropping the battery capacity in half.


Alex Quant wrote:
> I recently picked up a "new" Portege 3000 series battery (PA2467UR -
> 2600mAh) which appears to be in mint and unused condition. Unfortunately it
> will only deliver just over an hour of online time (from 100% to about 15% -
> I won't go lower for obvious reasons) with medium CPU speed (quiet cooling,
> lowest brightness setting, Speedstep set to "Battery Optimised"). This
> compares poorly with an old hefty high-capacity battery (PA3039U-1BRL -
> 5600mAh) which delivers well over 4 hours (5 with low power management
> settings). At just under half the capacity I would have expected this
> PA2467UR battery to deliver around 2 hours on-line time?
>
> The battery doesn't show a sudden drop in charge percentage which is typical
> of a pack coming to its natural end.
>
> So, I'm wondering if anyone has experience of using this battery in a
> Portege 3440/80/90 and can report back the average power-on time for a good
> condition battery with similar PM settings? Its being used in a 3480CT
> (PIII-600MHz Speedstep).
>
> Fortunately the seller has a very fair no-quibble refund policy - just need
> to know others experiences so I can either avoid these or look elsewhere as
> they may have a batch that is old or has been stored incorrectly.
>
> Thanks,
>
> AlexQ
>
> ~ Reply To valid ~
>
>


Posted by Alex Quant on August 29, 2004, 9:40 pm
Please log in for more thread options
> I would cycle the battery 2 or 3 times to see if it improves. Charge it
> to 100%, discharge to 25% or so (not lower), you've already done one
cycle.
>
> However .....
>
> When you cut the capacity (mah) of a battery in half, you cut the life
> of the battery MORE than in half, sometimes a LOT more. Batteries
> provide the most total power when the discharge rate is relatively low,
> while you have gone in just the opposite direction, keeping the
> discharge rate constant bud dropping the battery capacity in half.

Thanks for your response Barry. The pack has been through 3 cycles so far
without a noticable improvement. Not sure about your assertion that half
capacity often means WELL over half on-line time with similar usage
patterns - that sounds counter-intuitive, but this may well be how things
are with laptop battery packs! ;-)

I'm open to the idea this is typical of a good condition battery - just
disappointed it appears to give poor performance. I daren't imagine how the
1300mAh version performs! :-o

AlexQ

~ Reply To valid ~




Posted by Barry Watzman on August 30, 2004, 3:26 am
Please log in for more thread options
The point that I was trying to make is that you can withdraw a lot more
total amp-hours from a battery over 20 hours than you can over 1 hour.
That is, if you determine the number of amp-hours that deplete the
battery completely in one hour, and the number that depletes it in 20
hours, the 2nd number is a lot larger.

By the way, 20 hours is the "standard", I believe, for determining the
rated capacity of a battery.

But the draw from a laptop is far greater than that, so if a given
laptop draws 1 amp and the battery is reated at 5000 mah (5 amp-hours),
you cannot expect the laptop to run off of that battery for 5 hours, it
will be less than that, quite a bit less. BUT, that same battery would,
in theory, power a light bulb drawing 250 ma (.25 amps) for 20 hours.



Alex Quant wrote:

>
>>I would cycle the battery 2 or 3 times to see if it improves. Charge it
>>to 100%, discharge to 25% or so (not lower), you've already done one
>
> cycle.
>
>>However .....
>>
>>When you cut the capacity (mah) of a battery in half, you cut the life
>>of the battery MORE than in half, sometimes a LOT more. Batteries
>>provide the most total power when the discharge rate is relatively low,
>>while you have gone in just the opposite direction, keeping the
>>discharge rate constant bud dropping the battery capacity in half.
>
>
> Thanks for your response Barry. The pack has been through 3 cycles so far
> without a noticable improvement. Not sure about your assertion that half
> capacity often means WELL over half on-line time with similar usage
> patterns - that sounds counter-intuitive, but this may well be how things
> are with laptop battery packs! ;-)
>
> I'm open to the idea this is typical of a good condition battery - just
> disappointed it appears to give poor performance. I daren't imagine how the
> 1300mAh version performs! :-o
>
> AlexQ
>
> ~ Reply To valid ~
>
>


Similar ThreadsPosted
toshiba dynabook(portege 1601 series) October 24, 2006, 2:21 pm
TOSHIBA PORTEGE 7010CT BOOT PROBLEM November 7, 2004, 8:06 pm
Toshiba Portege 3410CT memory problem April 17, 2008, 2:16 pm
Portege 7020ct common problem with screen going white? December 8, 2005, 4:32 am
Thoshiba Portege 7020CT - turns off in battery mode September 16, 2005, 11:38 pm
Toshiba Portege HDD Upgrade November 7, 2004, 9:24 am
take-apart: Toshiba Portege 320CT March 31, 2005, 9:56 pm
toshiba portege bios December 5, 2005, 7:31 pm
Toshiba Portege 660cdt USB January 1, 2006, 12:20 pm
FS: Toshiba Portege 7010CT for parts August 29, 2004, 3:02 am

Our other projects:

Art Dolls, Fairies and Mermaids - Sunnyfaces.net

Roy's Linux, Programming and Search Engines messages

1-Script XML SitemapXML Sitemap