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Posted by dub on March 21, 2005, 11:28 am
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Hello web folks... I've been desigining web pages for 13 years using my
trusty text editor (UltraEdit) and in depth knowledge of HTML. I'm
truly a text editor ninja at this point. I am frequently using regular
expressions to search and replace in multiple files. I also use many
different copy buffers and know all the keyboard shortcuts like the
back of my hand. The point is... it's comfortable.
Unfortunately, it's become just too time consuming to manage many of
the larger sites I'm making. I'm aware that programs like Dreamweaver
offer template features and site management goodies. But I'm hesitant
to learn a whole new system until I'm sure that it's the best way to do
it.
Does anybody with experience managing large websites have advice on how
to make things a little less tedious?
Thanks,
Dub
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Posted by Jim Moe on March 21, 2005, 4:10 pm
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dub wrote:
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> Does anybody with experience managing large websites have advice on how
> to make things a little less tedious?
>
Or use a server-side program like PHP, perl, ASP, etc. Use them to
create the repetitive parts (menus, links, headers, footers) and you just
have to edit the page's unique content.
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jmm dash list (at) sohnen-moe (dot) com
(Remove .AXSPAMGN for email)
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Posted by David Ross on March 21, 2005, 6:40 pm
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dub wrote:
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> Hello web folks... I've been desigining web pages for 13 years using my
> trusty text editor (UltraEdit) and in depth knowledge of HTML. I'm
> truly a text editor ninja at this point. I am frequently using regular
> expressions to search and replace in multiple files. I also use many
> different copy buffers and know all the keyboard shortcuts like the
> back of my hand. The point is... it's comfortable.
>
> Unfortunately, it's become just too time consuming to manage many of
> the larger sites I'm making. I'm aware that programs like Dreamweaver
> offer template features and site management goodies. But I'm hesitant
> to learn a whole new system until I'm sure that it's the best way to do
> it.
>
> Does anybody with experience managing large websites have advice on how
> to make things a little less tedious?
My personal Web site is over 280 pages. With graphics (very few of
any great size), I have over 9.7 MB on my ISP's Web server. I also
maintain a smaller Web site for a charity -- 32 pages. I too
compose HTML and CSS manually; Web pages just seem to flow out of
my fingers and into my PC.
First of all, I mirror both sites on my hard drive, with the same
directory structure they have on the Web server. This makes
testing easier. I can verify hyperlinks without having to upload
affected pages.
I created a template for each subdirectory in my directory
structure plus a "general" template. If I want to create a new
page, I copy the template file (a TXT file) from my templates
directory into a Web directory and rename it (as an HTML file).
The use of a template does not prevent me from altering its preset
contents, but it does help me to standardize the appearance of my
pages.
I use an FTP client to upload my pages to my ISP's server. The
client creates or updates a log file in the directory from which it
uploaded. I keep that log file as a marker: files with more
recent dates have not yet been uploaded since they were last
modified. All I have to do is view the directory sorted by date.
I only use SSI for actual scripts and for displaying the revision
dates of frequently updated pages. Scripts include "hit" counters
(visible and invisible), computation of days since some prior
event, and weeks to some future event.
I recently found that a true site map is an excellent tool. Mine
has every page listed according to a logical directory structure
(with some pages listed for a directory where they do not yet
reside but should). Each entry in the list shows the page's title
with a link to the page. This was created manually and is
maintained manually. The site map helps me locate a page directly
without having to navigate through several other pages to reach
it.
I also have a site index created automatically by a script that
scans my space on my ISP's server. This has my pages sorted first
by actual directory and then by file name. Again each entry is a
link. Important features are the file sizes and dates. (The
listing is constructed from the UNIX "ls -l" command.) The listing
is regenerated every time it's requested.
--
David E. Ross
<URL:http://www.rossde.com/>
I use Mozilla as my Web browser because I want a browser that
complies with Web standards. See <URL:http://www.mozilla.org/>.
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Posted by Adrienne on March 21, 2005, 8:52 pm
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> Hello web folks... I've been desigining web pages for 13 years using my
> trusty text editor (UltraEdit) and in depth knowledge of HTML. I'm
> truly a text editor ninja at this point. I am frequently using regular
> expressions to search and replace in multiple files. I also use many
> different copy buffers and know all the keyboard shortcuts like the
> back of my hand. The point is... it's comfortable.
>
> Unfortunately, it's become just too time consuming to manage many of
> the larger sites I'm making. I'm aware that programs like Dreamweaver
> offer template features and site management goodies. But I'm hesitant
> to learn a whole new system until I'm sure that it's the best way to do
> it.
>
> Does anybody with experience managing large websites have advice on how
> to make things a little less tedious?
>
> Thanks,
> Dub
>
>
I use HTML-Kit <http://www.chami.com/html-kit/>. While it does not have
"site management", it does have the ability to store templates and
frequently used snippets. It also has a lot of plugins that you can pick
and choose depending on what language you are working with. It's a plain
text editor with syntax highlighting and auto complete for several
frequently used elements.
I also use TopStyle <http://www.bradsoft.com/topstyle/>, and it has a site
manangement feature. I don't use its HTML feature, but it's great for CSS.
--
Adrienne Boswell
http://www.cavalcade-of-coding.info
Please respond to the group so others can share
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Posted by Lars Eighner on March 21, 2005, 9:49 pm
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In our last episode,
lovely and talented dub broadcast on
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html:
> Does anybody with experience managing large websites have
> advice on how to make things a little less tedious?
Pick a preprocessor and learn to use it. Mine is horrible
(chpp), but I have learned how to use it - and the best software
is the kind you know how to use. Then get to know your local
make utility, whatever it is.
--
Lars Eighner eighner@io.com http://www.larseighner.com/
Close your eyes and press escape three times.
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