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The temperature of the water... John Bokma 04-11-2008
Posted by mbiernat on April 12, 2008, 7:47 am
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Regarding your leaving: John reconsider your leaving as your insights
are welcome.... or never say never regarding your return.

Regarding the forum: Your forum idea is noble but I think the regulars
(about 20 lets say) come to this usenet to learn, write but also to
promote their SEO services in a subtle way. Therefore, people might
say 'yes' to your new forum idea, but latter lose interest. However,
it does not mean the idea would fail, but rather it would be another
private SEO forum which the net has a lot of and originality dries up
if there is not new blood and a critical mass. I hope this does not
take the wind out of your sails, but it is just want I think.

Regarding the usenet I have been on since 1997 because its a simple
and direct way to exchange ideas. There always has been flames of war
- and spam, but the same goes for anything else. I do not refrain
from driving because of all the traffic, people who do not follow the
rules of the road, or people who fail to act in a cordial way. It is
mildly irritating but its also fun to drive. The usenet is 50% fun
(many times at each of our expense) and 50 % serious. But i think
the balance is what has people coming back.

Either way I am grateful to you and best regards,



Mark
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Posted by John Bokma on April 12, 2008, 4:00 pm
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mbiernat@hotmail.com wrote:

> Regarding your leaving: John reconsider your leaving as your insights
> are welcome.... or never say never regarding your return.

Heh, this is my second coming so to speak, and I am now 100% sure.

> Regarding the forum: Your forum idea is noble but I think the regulars
> (about 20 lets say) come to this usenet to learn, write but also to
> promote their SEO services in a subtle way.

Maybe the experience of others differ, but I am quite convinced that one
can't catch big fish here. Ages ago I got most of my programming work
via Usenet, but IMO that time is long, long gone.

> Therefore, people might
> say 'yes' to your new forum idea, but latter lose interest.

Think of it as the watercooler: a place we can hang out, stay in touch,
now and then talk about SEO, but mostly talk about other stuff. Movies
one enjoyed, how the kids/pets are doing, etc. The small talk that
happens here now and then. Not the constant being on the look out for
possible job, or being outsmarted by others.

> However,
> it does not mean the idea would fail, but rather it would be another
> private SEO forum which the net has a lot of and originality dries up
> if there is not new blood and a critical mass.

I was not thinking about a SEO forum. More a small talk forum. Most
regulars know stuff about the others that has nothing to do with SEO.

So in short, I am thinking about a kind of virtual watercooler, where we
*can* talk about SEO, web development, programming, new business
oppurtunities, etc. but it will be mostly not about those things (at
least that's how I see it).

OTOH, I also see it as a kind of networking. The atmosphere will be
(hopefully) more friendly, and give space for getting better business
relations.

> I hope this does not
> take the wind out of your sails, but it is just want I think.

No, like I said, I already *know* that I need 20 highly active regulars,
and I had already the feeling I wouldn't find them here. My second
option is/was aww. But since the climate here, IMO, is a bit friendlier,
I decided to ask here first. If I can't get 5-7 people here, I probably
won't get even 2 in aww.

> Regarding the usenet I have been on since 1997 because its a simple
> and direct way to exchange ideas. There always has been flames of war
> - and spam, but the same goes for anything else. I do not refrain
> from driving because of all the traffic, people who do not follow the
> rules of the road, or people who fail to act in a cordial way. It is
> mildly irritating but its also fun to drive. The usenet is 50% fun
> (many times at each of our expense) and 50 % serious. But i think
> the balance is what has people coming back.

Yeah, but the question I've been asking the last 2 years: do I *have to*
drive? Or: do I have to be on Usenet? Am I not better of with instead of
writing 2 hrs on Usenet, to write 2 hrs for my blog (or even 1).

And if I have to ride: do I ride in a city or do I take a nice road
through the hills, and enjoy the trip?

> Either way I am grateful to you and best regards,

Thanks,

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Posted by Big Bill on April 12, 2008, 10:32 am
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On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 09:15:17 +0100, "Andrew Heenan"

>I don't like censorship - but

There's you in a nutshell Andrew.

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Posted by Jezsta Web Productions on April 12, 2008, 4:27 pm
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> Hi all,
>
> Since Usenet is (again) eating up too much time (in my case), and somehow
> I keep getting stuck in "flame-wars" / "troll-fests", I've decided to
> leave Usenet (again), and probably won't come back

Sorry to hear that John!

<snip>
> [1] phpBB, hosted somewhere cheap, I have no problem taking care of that
> part.

I could help in that also.:-)

Stacey


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Posted by Paul on April 12, 2008, 7:59 pm
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>Hi all,

Hi John

>Since Usenet is (again) eating up too much time (in my case), and somehow
>I keep getting stuck in "flame-wars" / "troll-fests", I've decided to
>leave Usenet (again), and probably won't come back

I don't blame you. I spend less time here now myself.

>*insert the sound of a thousand weeping girls*

<g>

>However, I consider some (more than you think) of the regs good friends,
>and would hate to get out of touch (again).

>So... I was thinking, who would be interested in a lighter version of this
>group [0], on a web based forum [1]. SEO / web development will be on
>topic, but also a lot of off-topic stuff that goes on here, and we can
>think off :-D.
>
>Based on my experience with another board I would say that at least 20 (!)
>active people are needed to keep such a board from dying

You can count me in.

>I want to see if it's possible to get 20 people, and if we can get a more
>mellow version of this group, without spam / trolling / flame fests /
>hating / short tempers, etc.

Oh, wait a minute, that will count me out, won't it ? LOL

plh
Paul
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