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The Mystery of the Phoenix "Spike" SENECA 06-04-2008
Posted by SENECA on June 4, 2008, 3:27 pm
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 It should be a topic for alt/sci/planetary, but it looks empty. I found
the spike so far only mentioned in ssh and sss.



The Mystery of the Phoenix "Spike"

In one of the first images of the Mars Phoenix Lander we see at the northern
horizon a small bright "spike". At first look it is about 12 pix high and 3
wide. But in closer look it may extend over the horizon line and may be
wider. Because of compression artifacts I cant analyse it further. It is
located here 100 pix left of 0 deg ("North"), at ca. 358.6 deg:

http://www.spaceflightnow.com/mars/phoenix/images/lg_334.jpg
This image from spaceflightnow is the only one of it I know with koordinates.

Its like
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10680.jpg
"First Look at Martian Arctic Plains"
and
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10681.jpg

booth without koordinate markings


It could be a dust devil. But it looks more sharp and destinct then we
know from this mini tornados. It could be a water/steam eruption. Aquifiers
are long suspected for Mars and some similar looking may alraedy be found
from orbit:

http://www.scireview.de/mars/


In last years MExpress, MGS and MRO found young large conic hills in the
polar region on the ice - water ice "volcanos". So a hydrothermal source
in the martian arctic seems possible. It would be interesting to see the
MRO image area north of the Phoenix Lander. It seems unpublished so far.

MRO people said the planned landing area was very extensive imaged. Despite
this, the orbiter landing site area image is the most poor NASA ever
published:
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10706.jpg



The "Spike" is no Phoenix Harware.
That was mentioned to the press and reported there. But MROs HiRISE camera
acquired this image of the Phoenix landing site 22 hours after landing:
http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/phoenix-hardware.php
(click to see the lander with the other hardware on one image)
"North is about 7 degrees to the right of straight up in this image"

Here we see the Parachute in the south and the heatshild in southeast



The Spike is not in other published images:

not in large panorama:
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10735.jpg

not in normal panorama:
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10726.jpg

not in final large fish-eye panorama:
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10734.jpg

not in partial fish-eye panorama
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10721.jpg
but you see the location koordinates of PIA10680 there

not in partial panorama
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10712.jpg
but you see the location koordinates of PIA10680 there
and you see that 360/0 deg realy means "North"


Let see whether NASA opens the "spike" again.


## CrossPoint v3.12d R ##

Posted by BradGuth on June 6, 2008, 8:51 am
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 Seems odd that you're not getting any expertise from these all-knowing
wizards, of telling us exactly what that spike item is. It seems
large enough to be detected from orbit.
Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth


SEN...@argo.rhein-neckar.de wrote:
> It should be a topic for alt/sci/planetary, but it looks empty. I found
> the spike so far only mentioned in ssh and sss.
>
>
>
> The Mystery of the Phoenix "Spike"
>
> In one of the first images of the Mars Phoenix Lander we see at the northern
> horizon a small bright "spike". At first look it is about 12 pix high and 3
> wide. But in closer look it may extend over the horizon line and may be
> wider. Because of compression artifacts I cant analyse it further. It is
> located here 100 pix left of 0 deg ("North"), at ca. 358.6 deg:
>
> http://www.spaceflightnow.com/mars/phoenix/images/lg_334.jpg
> This image from spaceflightnow is the only one of it I know with koordinates.
>
> Its like
> http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10680.jpg
> "First Look at Martian Arctic Plains"
> and
> http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10681.jpg
>
> booth without koordinate markings
>
>
> It could be a dust devil. But it looks more sharp and destinct then we
> know from this mini tornados. It could be a water/steam eruption. Aquifiers
> are long suspected for Mars and some similar looking may alraedy be found
> from orbit:
>
> http://www.scireview.de/mars/
>
>
> In last years MExpress, MGS and MRO found young large conic hills in the
> polar region on the ice - water ice "volcanos". So a hydrothermal source
> in the martian arctic seems possible. It would be interesting to see the
> MRO image area north of the Phoenix Lander. It seems unpublished so far.
>
> MRO people said the planned landing area was very extensive imaged. Despite
> this, the orbiter landing site area image is the most poor NASA ever
> published:
> http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10706.jpg
>
>
>
> The "Spike" is no Phoenix Harware.
> That was mentioned to the press and reported there. But MROs HiRISE camera
> acquired this image of the Phoenix landing site 22 hours after landing:
> http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/phoenix-hardware.php
> (click to see the lander with the other hardware on one image)
> "North is about 7 degrees to the right of straight up in this image"
>
> Here we see the Parachute in the south and the heatshild in southeast
>
>
>
> The Spike is not in other published images:
>
> not in large panorama:
> http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10735.jpg
>
> not in normal panorama:
> http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10726.jpg
>
> not in final large fish-eye panorama:
> http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10734.jpg
>
> not in partial fish-eye panorama
> http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10721.jpg
> but you see the location koordinates of PIA10680 there
>
> not in partial panorama
> http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10712.jpg
> but you see the location koordinates of PIA10680 there
> and you see that 360/0 deg realy means "North"
>
>
> Let see whether NASA opens the "spike" again.
>
>
> ## CrossPoint v3.12d R ##

Posted by jonathan on June 8, 2008, 1:49 pm
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> Seems odd that you're not getting any expertise from these all-knowing
> wizards, of telling us exactly what that spike item is. It seems
> large enough to be detected from orbit.



A missing piece of image data is hard to see from orbit I would think~




> Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth
>
>
> SEN...@argo.rhein-neckar.de wrote:
>> It should be a topic for alt/sci/planetary, but it looks empty. I found
>> the spike so far only mentioned in ssh and sss.
>>
>>
>>
>> The Mystery of the Phoenix "Spike"
>>
>> In one of the first images of the Mars Phoenix Lander we see at the northern
>> horizon a small bright "spike". At first look it is about 12 pix high and 3
>> wide. But in closer look it may extend over the horizon line and may be
>> wider. Because of compression artifacts I cant analyse it further. It is
>> located here 100 pix left of 0 deg ("North"), at ca. 358.6 deg:
>>
>> http://www.spaceflightnow.com/mars/phoenix/images/lg_334.jpg
>> This image from spaceflightnow is the only one of it I know with koordinates.
>>
>> Its like
>> http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10680.jpg
>> "First Look at Martian Arctic Plains"
>> and
>> http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10681.jpg
>>
>> booth without koordinate markings
>>
>>
>> It could be a dust devil. But it looks more sharp and destinct then we
>> know from this mini tornados. It could be a water/steam eruption. Aquifiers
>> are long suspected for Mars and some similar looking may alraedy be found
>> from orbit:
>>
>> http://www.scireview.de/mars/
>>
>>
>> In last years MExpress, MGS and MRO found young large conic hills in the
>> polar region on the ice - water ice "volcanos". So a hydrothermal source
>> in the martian arctic seems possible. It would be interesting to see the
>> MRO image area north of the Phoenix Lander. It seems unpublished so far.
>>
>> MRO people said the planned landing area was very extensive imaged. Despite
>> this, the orbiter landing site area image is the most poor NASA ever
>> published:
>> http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10706.jpg
>>
>>
>>
>> The "Spike" is no Phoenix Harware.
>> That was mentioned to the press and reported there. But MROs HiRISE camera
>> acquired this image of the Phoenix landing site 22 hours after landing:
>> http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/phoenix-hardware.php
>> (click to see the lander with the other hardware on one image)
>> "North is about 7 degrees to the right of straight up in this image"
>>
>> Here we see the Parachute in the south and the heatshild in southeast
>>
>>
>>
>> The Spike is not in other published images:
>>
>> not in large panorama:
>> http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10735.jpg
>>
>> not in normal panorama:
>> http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10726.jpg
>>
>> not in final large fish-eye panorama:
>> http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10734.jpg
>>
>> not in partial fish-eye panorama
>> http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10721.jpg
>> but you see the location koordinates of PIA10680 there
>>
>> not in partial panorama
>> http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10712.jpg
>> but you see the location koordinates of PIA10680 there
>> and you see that 360/0 deg realy means "North"
>>
>>
>> Let see whether NASA opens the "spike" again.
>>
>>
>> ## CrossPoint v3.12d R ##



Posted by cfleon@hotmail.com on June 23, 2008, 8:21 pm
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On Jun 4, 12:27=A0pm, SEN...@argo.rhein-neckar.de wrote:
> It should be a topic for alt/sci/planetary, but it looks empty. I found
> the spike so far only mentioned in ssh and sss.
>
> The Mystery of the Phoenix "Spike"
>
> In one of the first images of the Mars Phoenix Lander we see at the north=
ern
> horizon a small bright "spike". At first look it is about 12 pix high and=
3
> wide. But in closer look it may extend over the horizon line and may be
> wider. Because of compression artifacts I cant analyse it further. It is
> located here 100 pix left of 0 deg ("North"), at ca. 358.6 deg:
>
> http://www.spaceflightnow.com/mars/phoenix/images/lg_334.jpg
> This image from spaceflightnow is the only one of it I know with koordina=
tes.
>
> Its likehttp://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10680.jpg
> "First Look at Martian Arctic Plains"
> andhttp://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10681.jpg
>
> booth without koordinate markings
>
> It could be a dust devil. But it looks more sharp and destinct then we
> know from this mini tornados. It could be a water/steam eruption. Aquifie=
rs
> are long suspected for Mars and some similar looking may alraedy be found
> from orbit:
>
> http://www.scireview.de/mars/
>
> In last years MExpress, MGS and MRO found young large conic hills in the
> polar region on the ice - water ice "volcanos". So a hydrothermal source
> in the martian arctic seems possible. It would be interesting to see the
> MRO image area north of the Phoenix Lander. It seems unpublished so far.
>
> MRO people said the planned landing area was very extensive imaged. Despi=
te
> this, the orbiter landing site area image is the most poor NASA ever
> published:http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10706.jpg
>
> The "Spike" is no Phoenix Harware.
> That was mentioned to the press and reported there. But MROs HiRISE camer=
a
> acquired this image of the Phoenix landing site 22 hours after landing:ht=
tp://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/phoenix-hardware.php
> (click to see the lander with the other hardware on one image)
> "North is about 7 degrees to the right of straight up in this image"
>
> Here we see the Parachute in the south and the heatshild in southeast
>
> The Spike is not in other published images:
>
> not in large panorama:http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10735.jpg
>
> not in normal panorama:http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10726.jpg
>
> not in final large fish-eye panorama:http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpe=
g/PIA10734.jpg
>
> not in partial fish-eye panoramahttp://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA=
10721.jpg
> but you see the location koordinates of PIA10680 there
>
> not in partial panoramahttp://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10712.jpg
> but you see the location koordinates of PIA10680 there
> and you see that 360/0 deg realy means "North"
>
> Let see whether NASA opens the "spike" again.
>
> ## CrossPoint v3.12d R ##


Since no one's responded, I might as well. Assuming that you're
serious, look VERY closely at the edge of the picture both directly
above and below the 'spike'. The 'spike' appears right where two
seperate images are joined therefore is most likely to be a
photographical artifact.

Posted by John Irwin on June 24, 2008, 5:50 am
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"cfleon@hotmail.com" wrote:
>
> Since no one's responded, I might as well. Assuming that you're
> serious, look VERY closely at the edge of the picture both directly
> above and below the 'spike'. The 'spike' appears right where two
> seperate images are joined therefore is most likely to be a
> photographical artifact.

As far as I can ascertain, there are only two separate images in this
composite, and the join between them is clearly visible.

But you will also notice that the individual images are not rectangular;
they have been warped, presumably to fit the underlying rectangular
azimuth-elevation grid.

This warping produces digital artifacts along the edges of the
individual images, making it appear that many more images were used in
the creation of the composite. It is a coincidence that the "spike"
should appear to lie exactly on one of these fictitious joins. There is
in fact no mis-registration along this, or any other fictitious join,
which might otherwise suggest separate images.

John.

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