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Testing website for multiple browsers Kevin 04-14-2008
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Posted by Kevin on April 14, 2008, 10:09 pm
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 I originally posted these questions on a forum for Opera users and was
directed to this newsgroup as an alternative to get more information. My
original post was in regards to Opera not displaying my site properly from
how I displayed it using Microsofts IE. The post was as follows...


My company website was designed using IExplorer. I just downloaded the
latest verison of Opera and my site does not display properly. The site
relies very heavily on css stylsheets for placement of images, and text. In
IE it looks perfect, but when I move to Opera, part of the text is hidden
behind an image. Is there something concerning css and Opera that I should
be aware of?
...
Yikes, code validator found 31 errors on my homepage - mostly related to
open <font> and <div> elements. Also included a few for color atribute..."an
attribute value must be a literal unless it contains only name
characters"...and the following..."document type does not allow element "H3"
here; missing one of "APPLET", "OBJECT", "MAP", "IFRAME", "BUTTON"
start-tag." Why does it not recognize <H3> as an element??

I haven't checked the CSS codes yet, but I can only imagine. The truley sad
part is, the site was created from a template from a large site hosting
company. I tweaked the site that is active now, but I tried the "original"
as produced by the online site creator that I have up on a mirror site and
it does not display properly in Opera either. And to boot, when I called
tech support regarding an issue I was having accessing their site, I was
told, on multiple occasions, by multiple support staff, that I should use a
browser other than IE.
...
Also, are there any other browsers that I should consider testing with to
ensure wide-spread compatibility. Firefox, Safari & Opera have all been
suggested.



Posted by Ed Jay on April 14, 2008, 10:30 pm
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 Kevin scribed:

>I originally posted these questions on a forum for Opera users and was
>directed to this newsgroup as an alternative to get more information. My
>original post was in regards to Opera not displaying my site properly from
>how I displayed it using Microsofts IE. The post was as follows...
>
>
>My company website was designed using IExplorer. I just downloaded the
>latest verison of Opera and my site does not display properly. The site
>relies very heavily on css stylsheets for placement of images, and text. In
>IE it looks perfect, but when I move to Opera, part of the text is hidden
>behind an image. Is there something concerning css and Opera that I should
>be aware of?
>...
>Yikes, code validator found 31 errors on my homepage - mostly related to
>open <font> and <div> elements. Also included a few for color atribute..."an
>attribute value must be a literal unless it contains only name
>characters"...and the following..."document type does not allow element "H3"
>here; missing one of "APPLET", "OBJECT", "MAP", "IFRAME", "BUTTON"
>start-tag." Why does it not recognize <H3> as an element??
>
>I haven't checked the CSS codes yet, but I can only imagine. The truley sad
>part is, the site was created from a template from a large site hosting
>company. I tweaked the site that is active now, but I tried the "original"
>as produced by the online site creator that I have up on a mirror site and
>it does not display properly in Opera either. And to boot, when I called
>tech support regarding an issue I was having accessing their site, I was
>told, on multiple occasions, by multiple support staff, that I should use a
>browser other than IE.
>...
>Also, are there any other browsers that I should consider testing with to
>ensure wide-spread compatibility. Firefox, Safari & Opera have all been
>suggested.
>
Kevin, post the URL of the page you're having trouble with.
--
Ed Jay (remove 'M' to respond by email)

Posted by Dylan Parry on April 15, 2008, 4:13 am
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Kevin wrote:

> Also, are there any other browsers that I should consider testing with to
> ensure wide-spread compatibility. Firefox, Safari & Opera have all been
> suggested.

In addition to those three browsers, I'd suggest that you should test
your site in several versions of IE. It's possible to run more than one
version of IE on a single machine, but only by using third-party solutions.

For Windows XP (and earlier), you can use MultipleIEs
(http://tredosoft.com/Multiple_IE), which allows you to install versions
of IE from 3 up to 6. Of course you'd have IE7 installed as your
standard version.

Unfortunately, this doesn't work on Vista. Fortunately, there is a
solution! IETester (http://www.my-debugbar.com/wiki/IETester/HomePage)
allows you to run the rendering/Javascript engines from versions of IE
from 5.5 to 8 (beta 1) from a single application.

--
Dylan Parry
http://electricfreedom.org | http://webpageworkshop.co.uk

The opinions stated above are not necessarily representative of
those of my cats. All opinions expressed are entirely your own.

Posted by Andy Dingley on April 15, 2008, 5:49 am
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> Also, are there any other browsers that I should consider testing with to
> ensure wide-spread compatibility. Firefox, Safari & Opera have all been
> suggested.

No. Don't start out by doing browser-based testing, you'll only make
things _worse_.

Start out by making the pages conform to the HTML / CSS specifications
(including validation), and only then start to worry about
compatibility with specific browsers.

The specification is an objective standard that's clearly stated.
Browser behaviour is subjective, undocumented, and frequently
changing. You can (and should) actually hit the first target, you can
only fruitlessly chase after the second.

Also there's a big problem with browser compatibility to non-
conformant code, but only the tiniest of problems with conformant
coode. If you get the code _right_ first, you'll find that most of
your browser problems go away too.

Posted by Kevin on April 25, 2008, 10:12 pm
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Okay, the website is... http://www.woodlandgardens.us

Problems are...

css files all validate and the index.html file has 6 errors - all relate to
<h3> tags it claims are not allowed where they are, however they work where
they are and are useful. If I view the page in IExplorer, it looks okay but
not exactly what I was expecting, in Firefox it looks just as I expect,
however, the links do not work! and in Opera, the page title is displayed
behind the picture.

Thoughts???

>I originally posted these questions on a forum for Opera users and was
>directed to this newsgroup as an alternative to get more information. My
>original post was in regards to Opera not displaying my site properly from
>how I displayed it using Microsofts IE. The post was as follows...
>
>
> My company website was designed using IExplorer. I just downloaded the
> latest verison of Opera and my site does not display properly. The site
> relies very heavily on css stylsheets for placement of images, and text.
> In
> IE it looks perfect, but when I move to Opera, part of the text is hidden
> behind an image. Is there something concerning css and Opera that I should
> be aware of?
> ...
> Yikes, code validator found 31 errors on my homepage - mostly related to
> open <font> and <div> elements. Also included a few for color
> atribute..."an
> attribute value must be a literal unless it contains only name
> characters"...and the following..."document type does not allow element
> "H3"
> here; missing one of "APPLET", "OBJECT", "MAP", "IFRAME", "BUTTON"
> start-tag." Why does it not recognize <H3> as an element??
>
> I haven't checked the CSS codes yet, but I can only imagine. The truley
> sad
> part is, the site was created from a template from a large site hosting
> company. I tweaked the site that is active now, but I tried the "original"
> as produced by the online site creator that I have up on a mirror site and
> it does not display properly in Opera either. And to boot, when I called
> tech support regarding an issue I was having accessing their site, I was
> told, on multiple occasions, by multiple support staff, that I should use
> a
> browser other than IE.
> ...
> Also, are there any other browsers that I should consider testing with to
> ensure wide-spread compatibility. Firefox, Safari & Opera have all been
> suggested.
>



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