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Show recordable but a commercial triggers stoppage. Bender 06-04-2008
Posted by Bender on June 4, 2008, 11:56 pm
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Could someone tell the broadcasters to be more careful when they run a
commercial such as the recent 'Get Smart Movie', that triggers a show
without the do not copy flag set to stop recording because the commercial
apparently inadvertently has a do not copy flag.
Do they really not want me to record the commercial for the movie. I get 40
minutes into my recorded movie when the commercial comes on, and before the
commercial even ends the TV show stops recording.
They are giving DRM a bad name and the programs, such as Windows Vista Media
Center and the company Microsoft a bad rap because Microsoft is faithfully
following the DRM guidelines.

I know, I know, Media Center will blindly "honor the copy restrictions set
by the broadcaster and/or content provider. There's nothing to be done about
it."

But I will be doing something about it. If these mistakes happen too often,
I won't be bothering with getting a Media Center Extender and buying furture
versions of Media Center, and I will look for alternates.

I will add however that these mistakes have been infrequent and a more
recent TV recording with that DRM infected commercial did not have the do
not copy flag embedded in it.



Posted by Barb Bowman on June 5, 2008, 5:59 am
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go to the networks website and send feedback. the "someone" needs to
be the voice of the public.

On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 20:56:11 -0700, "Bender"

>Could someone tell the broadcasters to be more careful when they run a
>commercial such as the recent 'Get Smart Movie', that triggers a show
>without the do not copy flag set to stop recording because the commercial
>apparently inadvertently has a do not copy flag.
>Do they really not want me to record the commercial for the movie. I get 40
>minutes into my recorded movie when the commercial comes on, and before the
>commercial even ends the TV show stops recording.
>They are giving DRM a bad name and the programs, such as Windows Vista Media
>Center and the company Microsoft a bad rap because Microsoft is faithfully
>following the DRM guidelines.
>
>I know, I know, Media Center will blindly "honor the copy restrictions set
>by the broadcaster and/or content provider. There's nothing to be done about
>it."
>
>But I will be doing something about it. If these mistakes happen too often,
>I won't be bothering with getting a Media Center Extender and buying furture
>versions of Media Center, and I will look for alternates.
>
>I will add however that these mistakes have been infrequent and a more
>recent TV recording with that DRM infected commercial did not have the do
>not copy flag embedded in it.
>
--

Barb Bowman
MS-MVP
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/bowman.mspx
http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/

Posted by CSM1 on June 5, 2008, 8:34 am
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And while you are complaining, write your congressman and complain about the
DMCA in general.

The act is the Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998.
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=105_cong_public_laws&docid=f:publ304.105.pdf

DRM is derived from the above law:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_rights_management

--
CSM1
http://www.carlmcmillan.com
--
> go to the networks website and send feedback. the "someone" needs to
> be the voice of the public.
>
> On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 20:56:11 -0700, "Bender"
>
>>Could someone tell the broadcasters to be more careful when they run a
>>commercial such as the recent 'Get Smart Movie', that triggers a show
>>without the do not copy flag set to stop recording because the commercial
>>apparently inadvertently has a do not copy flag.
>>Do they really not want me to record the commercial for the movie. I get
>>40
>>minutes into my recorded movie when the commercial comes on, and before
>>the
>>commercial even ends the TV show stops recording.
>>They are giving DRM a bad name and the programs, such as Windows Vista
>>Media
>>Center and the company Microsoft a bad rap because Microsoft is faithfully
>>following the DRM guidelines.
>>
>>I know, I know, Media Center will blindly "honor the copy restrictions set
>>by the broadcaster and/or content provider. There's nothing to be done
>>about
>>it."
>>
>>But I will be doing something about it. If these mistakes happen too
>>often,
>>I won't be bothering with getting a Media Center Extender and buying
>>furture
>>versions of Media Center, and I will look for alternates.
>>
>>I will add however that these mistakes have been infrequent and a more
>>recent TV recording with that DRM infected commercial did not have the do
>>not copy flag embedded in it.
>>
> --
>
> Barb Bowman
> MS-MVP
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/bowman.mspx
> http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/



Posted by Bender on June 8, 2008, 4:28 am
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The equivalent DMCA is still being written and considered here in Canada.
By the way, it is illegal in Canada to record a TV show. Though I have never
heard of any attempts to prosecute anyone for this violation.

> And while you are complaining, write your congressman and complain about
> the DMCA in general.
>
> The act is the Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998.
>
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=105_cong_public_laws&docid=f:publ304.105.pdf
>
> DRM is derived from the above law:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_rights_management
>
> --
> CSM1
> http://www.carlmcmillan.com
> --
>> go to the networks website and send feedback. the "someone" needs to
>> be the voice of the public.
>>
>> On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 20:56:11 -0700, "Bender"
>>
>>>Could someone tell the broadcasters to be more careful when they run a
>>>commercial such as the recent 'Get Smart Movie', that triggers a show
>>>without the do not copy flag set to stop recording because the commercial
>>>apparently inadvertently has a do not copy flag.
>>>Do they really not want me to record the commercial for the movie. I get
>>>40
>>>minutes into my recorded movie when the commercial comes on, and before
>>>the
>>>commercial even ends the TV show stops recording.
>>>They are giving DRM a bad name and the programs, such as Windows Vista
>>>Media
>>>Center and the company Microsoft a bad rap because Microsoft is
>>>faithfully
>>>following the DRM guidelines.
>>>
>>>I know, I know, Media Center will blindly "honor the copy restrictions
>>>set
>>>by the broadcaster and/or content provider. There's nothing to be done
>>>about
>>>it."
>>>
>>>But I will be doing something about it. If these mistakes happen too
>>>often,
>>>I won't be bothering with getting a Media Center Extender and buying
>>>furture
>>>versions of Media Center, and I will look for alternates.
>>>
>>>I will add however that these mistakes have been infrequent and a more
>>>recent TV recording with that DRM infected commercial did not have the do
>>>not copy flag embedded in it.
>>>
>> --
>>
>> Barb Bowman
>> MS-MVP
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/bowman.mspx
>> http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/
>
>

Posted by CSM1 on June 8, 2008, 10:58 am
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Scream, very loudly to your political congress person.
Make sure your government knows that the public wants to record TV shows for
their own use.

No single home user can be any harm to the producers of media. The people
that want to steal will find a way that the average home user can not use.


What is even worst, is the fact that if the advertisers want you to see
their ads, you must look at the programming. If you are not allowed to
record, then they can not be sure you will watch.

--
CSM1
http://www.carlmcmillan.com
--
> The equivalent DMCA is still being written and considered here in Canada.
> By the way, it is illegal in Canada to record a TV show. Though I have
> never heard of any attempts to prosecute anyone for this violation.
>
>> And while you are complaining, write your congressman and complain about
>> the DMCA in general.
>>
>> The act is the Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998.
>>
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=105_cong_public_laws&docid=f:publ304.105.pdf
>>
>> DRM is derived from the above law:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_rights_management
>>
>> --
>> CSM1
>> http://www.carlmcmillan.com
>> --
>>> go to the networks website and send feedback. the "someone" needs to
>>> be the voice of the public.
>>>
>>> On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 20:56:11 -0700, "Bender"
>>>
>>>>Could someone tell the broadcasters to be more careful when they run a
>>>>commercial such as the recent 'Get Smart Movie', that triggers a show
>>>>without the do not copy flag set to stop recording because the
>>>>commercial
>>>>apparently inadvertently has a do not copy flag.
>>>>Do they really not want me to record the commercial for the movie. I get
>>>>40
>>>>minutes into my recorded movie when the commercial comes on, and before
>>>>the
>>>>commercial even ends the TV show stops recording.
>>>>They are giving DRM a bad name and the programs, such as Windows Vista
>>>>Media
>>>>Center and the company Microsoft a bad rap because Microsoft is
>>>>faithfully
>>>>following the DRM guidelines.
>>>>
>>>>I know, I know, Media Center will blindly "honor the copy restrictions
>>>>set
>>>>by the broadcaster and/or content provider. There's nothing to be done
>>>>about
>>>>it."
>>>>
>>>>But I will be doing something about it. If these mistakes happen too
>>>>often,
>>>>I won't be bothering with getting a Media Center Extender and buying
>>>>furture
>>>>versions of Media Center, and I will look for alternates.
>>>>
>>>>I will add however that these mistakes have been infrequent and a more
>>>>recent TV recording with that DRM infected commercial did not have the
>>>>do
>>>>not copy flag embedded in it.
>>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Barb Bowman
>>> MS-MVP
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/bowman.mspx
>>> http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/
>>
>>



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