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Server Time filip 05-07-2008
---> Re: Server Time Meinolf Weber05-07-2008
Posted by Al Dunbar on May 11, 2008, 1:36 pm
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I think what Roger was trying to explain was that the two different time
values represent the same time, one being local to your timezone, the other
being relative to "Universal Coordinated Time" or GMT ("Greenwich Mean
Time").

Because domains can typically span time zones, much of the time information
contained on them is maintained independent of what the local time zone
happens to be, attributes like lastlogondate, for example. If done
otherwise, time calculations would become overly complex. But when I logon
to the nearest domain controller and type the DATE command, it shows me the
time relative to the local time zone.

/Al


> But how is possible that the same computer shows different times,
> as the event is recorded ancredo_exchange and Server Time is on Credo
> exchange, how is this possible?
>
>
>
>
>> Time: is as on recording machine when recording the event
>> Server Time: is time on Server Name:
>> They differ by your UTC +2 zone (i.e. one shown GMT)
>>
>>
>>> This say's that all "clients" have to be the same time, but in my log
>>> (pls read comments i n the log)
>>>
>>>
>>> Date: 8.5.2008
>>> Time: 11:38:04 ----> THE TIME on CREDO_EXCHANGE
>>> Computer: CREDO_EXCHANGE
>>> Server Time: 9:38:4.0000 5/8/2008 Z ----> WHICH SERVER TIME IS
>>> THIS is it :Server Name: host/credo_exchange.credobanka.hr, becouse this
>>> is the DC allso the same server the log was created on, namde
>>> CREDO_EXCHANGE
>>>
>>> Error Code: 0xd KDC_ERR_BADOPTION
>>> Extended Error: 0xc00000bb KLIN(0)
>>> Client Realm:
>>> Client Name:
>>> Server Realm: CREDOBANKA.HR
>>> Server Name: host/credo_exchange.credobanka.hr
>>> Target Name: host/credo_exchange.credobanka.hr@CREDOBANKA.HR
>>> Error Text:
>>> File: 9
>>> Line: ae0
>>> Error Data is in record data.
>>>
>>> For more information, see Help and Support Center at
>>> http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.
>>> Data:
>>> 0000: 30 15 a1 03 02 01 03 a2 0.!....c
>>> 0008: 0e 04 0c bb 00 00 c0 00 .....A.
>>> 0010: 00 00 00 03 00 00 00 .......
>>>
>>>> Hello filip,
>>>>
>>>> In a domain any machine has to be the same time provided from the
>>>> PDCEmulator, where all DC's sync with and the member servers and
>>>> clients sync with one of the available DC's.
>>>> So try to resync the time with the domain first:
>>>>
>>>> w32tm /config /syncfromflags:domhier /update
>>>>
>>>> After that run:
>>>>
>>>> net stop w32time
>>>>
>>>> net start w32time
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best regards
>>>>
>>>> Meinolf Weber
>>>> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
>>>> confers no rights.
>>>> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
>>>> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm
>>>>
>>>>> i found that a server on our network is in need of an account reset,
>>>>> but
>>>>> the time on the server is just few minutes apart from the main DC
>>>>> where i
>>>>> found the logs,
>>>>> so i'm still wondering as the log shows the time difference is 2
>>>>> hours. Our
>>>>> time zone is currently 2 hours from GMT (UMT), is it something to do
>>>>> with
>>>>> this?
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello filip,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So this also works for you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Meinolf Weber
>>>>>> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
>>>>>> confers no rights.
>>>>>> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
>>>>>> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm
>>>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/kerberos@mit.edu/msg07865.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



Posted by filip on May 11, 2008, 4:47 pm
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Ok, so i can say that this is not a time difference problem, and still all
information/solution goes to that direction?
>I think what Roger was trying to explain was that the two different time
>values represent the same time, one being local to your timezone, the other
>being relative to "Universal Coordinated Time" or GMT ("Greenwich Mean
>Time").
>
> Because domains can typically span time zones, much of the time
> information contained on them is maintained independent of what the local
> time zone happens to be, attributes like lastlogondate, for example. If
> done otherwise, time calculations would become overly complex. But when I
> logon to the nearest domain controller and type the DATE command, it shows
> me the time relative to the local time zone.
>
> /Al
>
>
>> But how is possible that the same computer shows different times,
>> as the event is recorded ancredo_exchange and Server Time is on Credo
>> exchange, how is this possible?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Time: is as on recording machine when recording the event
>>> Server Time: is time on Server Name:
>>> They differ by your UTC +2 zone (i.e. one shown GMT)
>>>
>>>
>>>> This say's that all "clients" have to be the same time, but in my log
>>>> (pls read comments i n the log)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Date: 8.5.2008
>>>> Time: 11:38:04 ----> THE TIME on CREDO_EXCHANGE
>>>> Computer: CREDO_EXCHANGE
>>>> Server Time: 9:38:4.0000 5/8/2008 Z ----> WHICH SERVER TIME IS
>>>> THIS is it :Server Name: host/credo_exchange.credobanka.hr, becouse
>>>> this is the DC allso the same server the log was created on, namde
>>>> CREDO_EXCHANGE
>>>>
>>>> Error Code: 0xd KDC_ERR_BADOPTION
>>>> Extended Error: 0xc00000bb KLIN(0)
>>>> Client Realm:
>>>> Client Name:
>>>> Server Realm: CREDOBANKA.HR
>>>> Server Name: host/credo_exchange.credobanka.hr
>>>> Target Name: host/credo_exchange.credobanka.hr@CREDOBANKA.HR
>>>> Error Text:
>>>> File: 9
>>>> Line: ae0
>>>> Error Data is in record data.
>>>>
>>>> For more information, see Help and Support Center at
>>>> http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.
>>>> Data:
>>>> 0000: 30 15 a1 03 02 01 03 a2 0.!....c
>>>> 0008: 0e 04 0c bb 00 00 c0 00 .....A.
>>>> 0010: 00 00 00 03 00 00 00 .......
>>>>
>>>>> Hello filip,
>>>>>
>>>>> In a domain any machine has to be the same time provided from the
>>>>> PDCEmulator, where all DC's sync with and the member servers and
>>>>> clients sync with one of the available DC's.
>>>>> So try to resync the time with the domain first:
>>>>>
>>>>> w32tm /config /syncfromflags:domhier /update
>>>>>
>>>>> After that run:
>>>>>
>>>>> net stop w32time
>>>>>
>>>>> net start w32time
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Meinolf Weber
>>>>> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
>>>>> confers no rights.
>>>>> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
>>>>> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>> i found that a server on our network is in need of an account reset,
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> the time on the server is just few minutes apart from the main DC
>>>>>> where i
>>>>>> found the logs,
>>>>>> so i'm still wondering as the log shows the time difference is 2
>>>>>> hours. Our
>>>>>> time zone is currently 2 hours from GMT (UMT), is it something to do
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello filip,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So this also works for you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Meinolf Weber
>>>>>>> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
>>>>>>> confers no rights.
>>>>>>> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
>>>>>>> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm
>>>>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/kerberos@mit.edu/msg07865.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



Posted by Al Dunbar on May 11, 2008, 5:22 pm
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Correct - I do not think that you have a time difference problem. But since
you seem to be in Croatia, I am surprised by the two hour difference, as I
thought Croatia was at UTC+1.

Anyway, here is how I interpret the information you showed below:

>>>>> Date: 8.5.2008
>>>>> Time: 11:38:04

When not qualified, one assumes local time.

>>>>> Server Time: 9:38:4.0000 5/8/2008 Z

the "Z" is highly suggestive of UTC time. I think that, for example, the
whenchanged AD attribute is given in this format:

20080508132259.0Z


/Al

> Ok, so i can say that this is not a time difference problem, and still
> all
> information/solution goes to that direction?
>>I think what Roger was trying to explain was that the two different time
>>values represent the same time, one being local to your timezone, the
>>other being relative to "Universal Coordinated Time" or GMT ("Greenwich
>>Mean Time").
>>
>> Because domains can typically span time zones, much of the time
>> information contained on them is maintained independent of what the local
>> time zone happens to be, attributes like lastlogondate, for example. If
>> done otherwise, time calculations would become overly complex. But when I
>> logon to the nearest domain controller and type the DATE command, it
>> shows me the time relative to the local time zone.
>>
>> /Al
>>
>>
>>> But how is possible that the same computer shows different times,
>>> as the event is recorded ancredo_exchange and Server Time is on Credo
>>> exchange, how is this possible?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Time: is as on recording machine when recording the event
>>>> Server Time: is time on Server Name:
>>>> They differ by your UTC +2 zone (i.e. one shown GMT)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> This say's that all "clients" have to be the same time, but in my log
>>>>> (pls read comments i n the log)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Date: 8.5.2008
>>>>> Time: 11:38:04 ----> THE TIME on CREDO_EXCHANGE
>>>>> Computer: CREDO_EXCHANGE
>>>>> Server Time: 9:38:4.0000 5/8/2008 Z ----> WHICH SERVER TIME IS
>>>>> THIS is it :Server Name: host/credo_exchange.credobanka.hr, becouse
>>>>> this is the DC allso the same server the log was created on, namde
>>>>> CREDO_EXCHANGE
>>>>>
>>>>> Error Code: 0xd KDC_ERR_BADOPTION
>>>>> Extended Error: 0xc00000bb KLIN(0)
>>>>> Client Realm:
>>>>> Client Name:
>>>>> Server Realm: CREDOBANKA.HR
>>>>> Server Name: host/credo_exchange.credobanka.hr
>>>>> Target Name: host/credo_exchange.credobanka.hr@CREDOBANKA.HR
>>>>> Error Text:
>>>>> File: 9
>>>>> Line: ae0
>>>>> Error Data is in record data.
>>>>>
>>>>> For more information, see Help and Support Center at
>>>>> http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.
>>>>> Data:
>>>>> 0000: 30 15 a1 03 02 01 03 a2 0.!....c
>>>>> 0008: 0e 04 0c bb 00 00 c0 00 .....A.
>>>>> 0010: 00 00 00 03 00 00 00 .......
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello filip,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In a domain any machine has to be the same time provided from the
>>>>>> PDCEmulator, where all DC's sync with and the member servers and
>>>>>> clients sync with one of the available DC's.
>>>>>> So try to resync the time with the domain first:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> w32tm /config /syncfromflags:domhier /update
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After that run:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> net stop w32time
>>>>>>
>>>>>> net start w32time
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Meinolf Weber
>>>>>> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
>>>>>> confers no rights.
>>>>>> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
>>>>>> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i found that a server on our network is in need of an account
>>>>>>> reset,
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> the time on the server is just few minutes apart from the main DC
>>>>>>> where i
>>>>>>> found the logs,
>>>>>>> so i'm still wondering as the log shows the time difference is 2
>>>>>>> hours. Our
>>>>>>> time zone is currently 2 hours from GMT (UMT), is it something to do
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> this?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello filip,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So this also works for you?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best regards
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Meinolf Weber
>>>>>>>> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties,
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> confers no rights.
>>>>>>>> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
>>>>>>>> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm
>>>>>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/kerberos@mit.edu/msg07865.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



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