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Seeking laptop with desktop harddrive Kasar Hausen 11-29-2004
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Posted by Kasar Hausen on November 29, 2004, 4:43 am
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Let's face it, laptop drives have just not been keeping up with
desktop drives, capacity-wise. I realize that they are never likely to
match, but the divide has been widening.

Since I only ever buy laptops and always buy "desktop replacements", I
wonder if anyone knows of a laptop (weight/size/etc immaterial) which
accepts desktop drives internally.

An added bonus would be the ability to use two drives in a RAID array,
so that I need not worry about backups.


Posted by jimbo on November 29, 2004, 8:01 am
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Kasar Hausen wrote:
> Let's face it, laptop drives have just not been keeping up with
> desktop drives, capacity-wise. I realize that they are never likely to
> match, but the divide has been widening.
>
> Since I only ever buy laptops and always buy "desktop replacements", I
> wonder if anyone knows of a laptop (weight/size/etc immaterial) which
> accepts desktop drives internally.
>
> An added bonus would be the ability to use two drives in a RAID array,
> so that I need not worry about backups.

Well, if size and weight don't matter, you could use one (or more) of
those external USB2.0 cases. They come in a variety of sizes. I have
an Addonics that will take a DVD drive or a 3 1/2 inch (desktop) hard
drive. Under WinXP it is "plug and play". Plug it in and power it up
and presto, the new hard drive shows up. Power it down, and presto,
the hard drive disappears.

Good luck, jimbo


Posted by J. Clarke on November 29, 2004, 9:29 am
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Kasar Hausen wrote:

> Let's face it, laptop drives have just not been keeping up with
> desktop drives, capacity-wise. I realize that they are never likely to
> match, but the divide has been widening.
>
> Since I only ever buy laptops and always buy "desktop replacements", I
> wonder if anyone knows of a laptop (weight/size/etc immaterial) which
> accepts desktop drives internally.
>
> An added bonus would be the ability to use two drives in a RAID array,
> so that I need not worry about backups.

If weight and size are immaterial then why get a laptop at all? The whole
point of a laptop is portability and what you're asking for would run the
weight and power consumption through the roof, not to mention compromising
reliability--if you look at the specs on laptop drives you'll find that
they will take considerably higher g-loading before they break than will
desktop drives. You might want to look into building a lunchbox
<http://store.jinco4me.com/luboxco.html> if you need a machine that you can
carry in one hand. The PC2-H6 could hold a full RAID-5 array with
hot-spare. Not cheap or light though and doesn't run on batteries.

And no, a 2-1/2" drive will never have the same capacity as a 3-1/2" drive
made using the same generation of drive technology. Laptops use 2-1/2"
drives because they are smaller and consume less power and thus allow a
smaller, lighter machine with a longer run time.

--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)


Posted by Al Dykes on November 29, 2004, 11:56 am
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>Kasar Hausen wrote:
>
>> Let's face it, laptop drives have just not been keeping up with
>> desktop drives, capacity-wise. I realize that they are never likely to
>> match, but the divide has been widening.
>>
>> Since I only ever buy laptops and always buy "desktop replacements", I
>> wonder if anyone knows of a laptop (weight/size/etc immaterial) which
>> accepts desktop drives internally.
>>
>> An added bonus would be the ability to use two drives in a RAID array,
>> so that I need not worry about backups.
>
>If weight and size are immaterial then why get a laptop at all? The whole
>point of a laptop is portability and what you're asking for would run the
>weight and power consumption through the roof, not to mention compromising
>reliability--if you look at the specs on laptop drives you'll find that
>they will take considerably higher g-loading before they break than will
>desktop drives. You might want to look into building a lunchbox
><http://store.jinco4me.com/luboxco.html> if you need a machine that you can
>carry in one hand. The PC2-H6 could hold a full RAID-5 array with
>hot-spare. Not cheap or light though and doesn't run on batteries.
>
>And no, a 2-1/2" drive will never have the same capacity as a 3-1/2" drive
>made using the same generation of drive technology. Laptops use 2-1/2"
>drives because they are smaller and consume less power and thus allow a
>smaller, lighter machine with a longer run time.
>--John


I see that 2.5 inch form factor is the comming thing for server-grade
disks, driven by on-board disks for blade servers and the need to fit
a petabyte of disk space in a few racks.

These disks are on a different price/size curve than the cheapo disks
made for PeeCees, but small and cool will be important for desktop
systems soon, also. When production is fully ramped up, a 2.5 inch
disk will be cheaper to make than a 3.5 inch disk.

If the OP wants all-out performance in a portable package he should
look for the "lunch box" systems that gamers buy. These systems have
all the power of a desktop and none of the weight of the batteries.





--
a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m
----


Posted by J. Clarke on November 29, 2004, 1:19 pm
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Al Dykes wrote:

>>Kasar Hausen wrote:
>>
>>> Let's face it, laptop drives have just not been keeping up with
>>> desktop drives, capacity-wise. I realize that they are never likely to
>>> match, but the divide has been widening.
>>>
>>> Since I only ever buy laptops and always buy "desktop replacements", I
>>> wonder if anyone knows of a laptop (weight/size/etc immaterial) which
>>> accepts desktop drives internally.
>>>
>>> An added bonus would be the ability to use two drives in a RAID array,
>>> so that I need not worry about backups.
>>
>>If weight and size are immaterial then why get a laptop at all? The whole
>>point of a laptop is portability and what you're asking for would run the
>>weight and power consumption through the roof, not to mention compromising
>>reliability--if you look at the specs on laptop drives you'll find that
>>they will take considerably higher g-loading before they break than will
>>desktop drives. You might want to look into building a lunchbox
>><http://store.jinco4me.com/luboxco.html> if you need a machine that you
>>can
>>carry in one hand. The PC2-H6 could hold a full RAID-5 array with
>>hot-spare. Not cheap or light though and doesn't run on batteries.
>>
>>And no, a 2-1/2" drive will never have the same capacity as a 3-1/2" drive
>>made using the same generation of drive technology. Laptops use 2-1/2"
>>drives because they are smaller and consume less power and thus allow a
>>smaller, lighter machine with a longer run time.
>>--John
>
>
> I see that 2.5 inch form factor is the comming thing for server-grade
> disks, driven by on-board disks for blade servers and the need to fit
> a petabyte of disk space in a few racks.

In a way it makes sense--the 15K RPM drives already run reduced-diameter
platters, so it probably isn't much of a stretch to move them to a 2.5"
case.

I notice Seagate's first effort is a 73 gig drive--I find myself wondering
whether two of those actually consume less volume than one 3-1/2" 140 gig.
>
> These disks are on a different price/size curve than the cheapo disks
> made for PeeCees, but small and cool will be important for desktop
> systems soon, also. When production is fully ramped up, a 2.5 inch
> disk will be cheaper to make than a 3.5 inch disk.
>
> If the OP wants all-out performance in a portable package he should
> look for the "lunch box" systems that gamers buy. These systems have
> all the power of a desktop and none of the weight of the batteries.

While they have none of the weight of the batteries, they have weight in a
lot of other places, and lithium-ion batteries are not particularly
heavy--lithium is one of the lightest elements. The lunchboxes are no
lightweights.

--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)


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