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Recommendation for a good two-factor authentication product DLN 07-25-2007
Posted by DLN on July 25, 2007, 6:58 pm
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Hello all,

I don't know if this is the right group to pose this question to and if it's
not, I apologize ahead of time. I'm wondering if anybody out there can
recommend a good two-factor authentication solution that meets the following
criteria:

1. Accommodates domain level logons
2. Can be used to secure custom IIS applications
3. Can be used to secure OWA
4. Can be used for VPN authentication
5. Scales so that one or more authentication servers can be placed in
multiple sites (both for redundancy and load balancing).
6. Excellent customer support (with some of the solutions I've been testing
with, customer support is severely lacking)

I've been testing several different solutions, but what I've tested doesn't
meet the criteria above in some way, shape or fashion. I am willing to use
a PKI based solution to secure the custom IIS apps and OWA, but points 1 and
5 are paramount. A couple of the solutions being tested were looking
promising (such as Crypto-Shield, for example) and met all my requirements
except for point 5, where the solution would only support 2 authentication
servers per domain. Since we have a single domain and multiple sites, being
limited to a fixed maximum number of authentication servers introduces a
single point of failure and can potentially add to cross-site WAN traffic.

I'm also confused in regards to RSA's offering. According to the sales rep
I talked with, RSA SecurID doesn't support domain logons, but according to
their web site, one can use the SecurID tokens as smart cards and tie a
certificate from an Enterprise PKI to it, so wouldn't this provide some
level of domain level support? Admittedly, this question is probably better
suited for the sales rep, but I was having a difficult time communicating
with her. I'm hoping that someone here can provide a definitive answer on
whether or not the RSA solution can be used to secure domain servers. From
what I've read, the RSA solution comes highly recommended but without the
domain level support, I won't be able to deploy it.

In any event, if someone could provide a good recommendation, I would
certainly appreciate it.

Regards,

DLN



Posted by Steve Riley [MSFT] on July 25, 2007, 9:58 pm
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I have two thoughts:

1. Smartcards, if you don't have a need for people to log in from random
computers not in your control (kiosks, home machines, anything that lacks a
smartcard reader).

2. Some customers have said good things about VeriSign's Unified
Authentication product
(http://www.verisign.com/products-services/security-services/unified-authentication/index.html).
I've not used it, but you might give it a look. I've been told that, unlike
RSA's SecurID, this product doesn't need separate "authentication
servers" -- it can authenticate directly against AD.

Steve Riley
steve.riley@microsoft.com
http://blogs.technet.com/steriley


> Hello all,
>
> I don't know if this is the right group to pose this question to and if
> it's not, I apologize ahead of time. I'm wondering if anybody out there
> can recommend a good two-factor authentication solution that meets the
> following criteria:
>
> 1. Accommodates domain level logons
> 2. Can be used to secure custom IIS applications
> 3. Can be used to secure OWA
> 4. Can be used for VPN authentication
> 5. Scales so that one or more authentication servers can be placed in
> multiple sites (both for redundancy and load balancing).
> 6. Excellent customer support (with some of the solutions I've been
> testing with, customer support is severely lacking)
>
> I've been testing several different solutions, but what I've tested
> doesn't meet the criteria above in some way, shape or fashion. I am
> willing to use a PKI based solution to secure the custom IIS apps and OWA,
> but points 1 and 5 are paramount. A couple of the solutions being tested
> were looking promising (such as Crypto-Shield, for example) and met all my
> requirements except for point 5, where the solution would only support 2
> authentication servers per domain. Since we have a single domain and
> multiple sites, being limited to a fixed maximum number of authentication
> servers introduces a single point of failure and can potentially add to
> cross-site WAN traffic.
>
> I'm also confused in regards to RSA's offering. According to the sales
> rep I talked with, RSA SecurID doesn't support domain logons, but
> according to their web site, one can use the SecurID tokens as smart cards
> and tie a certificate from an Enterprise PKI to it, so wouldn't this
> provide some level of domain level support? Admittedly, this question is
> probably better suited for the sales rep, but I was having a difficult
> time communicating with her. I'm hoping that someone here can provide a
> definitive answer on whether or not the RSA solution can be used to secure
> domain servers. From what I've read, the RSA solution comes highly
> recommended but without the domain level support, I won't be able to
> deploy it.
>
> In any event, if someone could provide a good recommendation, I would
> certainly appreciate it.
>
> Regards,
>
> DLN
>

Posted by S. Pidgorny on July 26, 2007, 4:11 am
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Steve - Verisign's one-time password solution does require a separate
product (it is called Unified Authentication Validation server in their
terminology).

Until Windows supports OTP natively, there will be a need for separate
infrastructure supporting that functionality.

--
Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MS MVP - Security, MCSE
-= F1 is the key =-

* http://sl.mvps.org * http://msmvps.com/blogs/sp *

>I have two thoughts:
>
> 1. Smartcards, if you don't have a need for people to log in from random
> computers not in your control (kiosks, home machines, anything that lacks
> a smartcard reader).
>
> 2. Some customers have said good things about VeriSign's Unified
> Authentication product
>
(http://www.verisign.com/products-services/security-services/unified-authentication/index.html).
> I've not used it, but you might give it a look. I've been told that,
> unlike RSA's SecurID, this product doesn't need separate "authentication
> servers" -- it can authenticate directly against AD.
>
> Steve Riley
> steve.riley@microsoft.com
> http://blogs.technet.com/steriley
>
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I don't know if this is the right group to pose this question to and if
>> it's not, I apologize ahead of time. I'm wondering if anybody out there
>> can recommend a good two-factor authentication solution that meets the
>> following criteria:
>>
>> 1. Accommodates domain level logons
>> 2. Can be used to secure custom IIS applications
>> 3. Can be used to secure OWA
>> 4. Can be used for VPN authentication
>> 5. Scales so that one or more authentication servers can be placed in
>> multiple sites (both for redundancy and load balancing).
>> 6. Excellent customer support (with some of the solutions I've been
>> testing with, customer support is severely lacking)
>>
>> I've been testing several different solutions, but what I've tested
>> doesn't meet the criteria above in some way, shape or fashion. I am
>> willing to use a PKI based solution to secure the custom IIS apps and
>> OWA, but points 1 and 5 are paramount. A couple of the solutions being
>> tested were looking promising (such as Crypto-Shield, for example) and
>> met all my requirements except for point 5, where the solution would only
>> support 2 authentication servers per domain. Since we have a single
>> domain and multiple sites, being limited to a fixed maximum number of
>> authentication servers introduces a single point of failure and can
>> potentially add to cross-site WAN traffic.
>>
>> I'm also confused in regards to RSA's offering. According to the sales
>> rep I talked with, RSA SecurID doesn't support domain logons, but
>> according to their web site, one can use the SecurID tokens as smart
>> cards and tie a certificate from an Enterprise PKI to it, so wouldn't
>> this provide some level of domain level support? Admittedly, this
>> question is probably better suited for the sales rep, but I was having a
>> difficult time communicating with her. I'm hoping that someone here can
>> provide a definitive answer on whether or not the RSA solution can be
>> used to secure domain servers. From what I've read, the RSA solution
>> comes highly recommended but without the domain level support, I won't be
>> able to deploy it.
>>
>> In any event, if someone could provide a good recommendation, I would
>> certainly appreciate it.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> DLN
>>



Posted by Steve Riley [MSFT] on July 26, 2007, 1:44 pm
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So you've got some experience with this, then? Is it similar to the
ACE/Server in SecurID?

Steve Riley
steve.riley@microsoft.com
http://blogs.technet.com/steriley


> Steve - Verisign's one-time password solution does require a separate
> product (it is called Unified Authentication Validation server in their
> terminology).
>
> Until Windows supports OTP natively, there will be a need for separate
> infrastructure supporting that functionality.
>
> --
> Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MS MVP - Security, MCSE
> -= F1 is the key =-
>
> * http://sl.mvps.org * http://msmvps.com/blogs/sp *
>
>>I have two thoughts:
>>
>> 1. Smartcards, if you don't have a need for people to log in from random
>> computers not in your control (kiosks, home machines, anything that lacks
>> a smartcard reader).
>>
>> 2. Some customers have said good things about VeriSign's Unified
>> Authentication product
>>
(http://www.verisign.com/products-services/security-services/unified-authentication/index.html).
>> I've not used it, but you might give it a look. I've been told that,
>> unlike RSA's SecurID, this product doesn't need separate "authentication
>> servers" -- it can authenticate directly against AD.
>>
>> Steve Riley
>> steve.riley@microsoft.com
>> http://blogs.technet.com/steriley
>>
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I don't know if this is the right group to pose this question to and if
>>> it's not, I apologize ahead of time. I'm wondering if anybody out there
>>> can recommend a good two-factor authentication solution that meets the
>>> following criteria:
>>>
>>> 1. Accommodates domain level logons
>>> 2. Can be used to secure custom IIS applications
>>> 3. Can be used to secure OWA
>>> 4. Can be used for VPN authentication
>>> 5. Scales so that one or more authentication servers can be placed in
>>> multiple sites (both for redundancy and load balancing).
>>> 6. Excellent customer support (with some of the solutions I've been
>>> testing with, customer support is severely lacking)
>>>
>>> I've been testing several different solutions, but what I've tested
>>> doesn't meet the criteria above in some way, shape or fashion. I am
>>> willing to use a PKI based solution to secure the custom IIS apps and
>>> OWA, but points 1 and 5 are paramount. A couple of the solutions being
>>> tested were looking promising (such as Crypto-Shield, for example) and
>>> met all my requirements except for point 5, where the solution would
>>> only support 2 authentication servers per domain. Since we have a
>>> single domain and multiple sites, being limited to a fixed maximum
>>> number of authentication servers introduces a single point of failure
>>> and can potentially add to cross-site WAN traffic.
>>>
>>> I'm also confused in regards to RSA's offering. According to the sales
>>> rep I talked with, RSA SecurID doesn't support domain logons, but
>>> according to their web site, one can use the SecurID tokens as smart
>>> cards and tie a certificate from an Enterprise PKI to it, so wouldn't
>>> this provide some level of domain level support? Admittedly, this
>>> question is probably better suited for the sales rep, but I was having a
>>> difficult time communicating with her. I'm hoping that someone here can
>>> provide a definitive answer on whether or not the RSA solution can be
>>> used to secure domain servers. From what I've read, the RSA solution
>>> comes highly recommended but without the domain level support, I won't
>>> be able to deploy it.
>>>
>>> In any event, if someone could provide a good recommendation, I would
>>> certainly appreciate it.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> DLN
>>>
>
>

Posted by S. Pidgorny on July 27, 2007, 3:56 am
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Not really, haven't got experience, but I had to sit through few
presentations and demonstrations with Verisign. Yes, a server similar to ACE
Server is required. I'm not sure at all about their AD integration
capabilities - RSA, on the other hand, integrates with AD through LDAP for
authorisation, and provides Windows logon integration.

--
Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MS MVP - Security, MCSE
-= F1 is the key =-

* http://sl.mvps.org * http://msmvps.com/blogs/sp *

> So you've got some experience with this, then? Is it similar to the
> ACE/Server in SecurID?
>
> Steve Riley
> steve.riley@microsoft.com
> http://blogs.technet.com/steriley
>
>
>> Steve - Verisign's one-time password solution does require a separate
>> product (it is called Unified Authentication Validation server in their
>> terminology).
>>
>> Until Windows supports OTP natively, there will be a need for separate
>> infrastructure supporting that functionality.
>>
>> --
>> Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MS MVP - Security, MCSE
>> -= F1 is the key =-
>>
>> * http://sl.mvps.org * http://msmvps.com/blogs/sp *
>>
>>>I have two thoughts:
>>>
>>> 1. Smartcards, if you don't have a need for people to log in from random
>>> computers not in your control (kiosks, home machines, anything that
>>> lacks a smartcard reader).
>>>
>>> 2. Some customers have said good things about VeriSign's Unified
>>> Authentication product
>>>
(http://www.verisign.com/products-services/security-services/unified-authentication/index.html).
>>> I've not used it, but you might give it a look. I've been told that,
>>> unlike RSA's SecurID, this product doesn't need separate "authentication
>>> servers" -- it can authenticate directly against AD.
>>>
>>> Steve Riley
>>> steve.riley@microsoft.com
>>> http://blogs.technet.com/steriley
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hello all,
>>>>
>>>> I don't know if this is the right group to pose this question to and if
>>>> it's not, I apologize ahead of time. I'm wondering if anybody out
>>>> there can recommend a good two-factor authentication solution that
>>>> meets the following criteria:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Accommodates domain level logons
>>>> 2. Can be used to secure custom IIS applications
>>>> 3. Can be used to secure OWA
>>>> 4. Can be used for VPN authentication
>>>> 5. Scales so that one or more authentication servers can be placed in
>>>> multiple sites (both for redundancy and load balancing).
>>>> 6. Excellent customer support (with some of the solutions I've been
>>>> testing with, customer support is severely lacking)
>>>>
>>>> I've been testing several different solutions, but what I've tested
>>>> doesn't meet the criteria above in some way, shape or fashion. I am
>>>> willing to use a PKI based solution to secure the custom IIS apps and
>>>> OWA, but points 1 and 5 are paramount. A couple of the solutions being
>>>> tested were looking promising (such as Crypto-Shield, for example) and
>>>> met all my requirements except for point 5, where the solution would
>>>> only support 2 authentication servers per domain. Since we have a
>>>> single domain and multiple sites, being limited to a fixed maximum
>>>> number of authentication servers introduces a single point of failure
>>>> and can potentially add to cross-site WAN traffic.
>>>>
>>>> I'm also confused in regards to RSA's offering. According to the sales
>>>> rep I talked with, RSA SecurID doesn't support domain logons, but
>>>> according to their web site, one can use the SecurID tokens as smart
>>>> cards and tie a certificate from an Enterprise PKI to it, so wouldn't
>>>> this provide some level of domain level support? Admittedly, this
>>>> question is probably better suited for the sales rep, but I was having
>>>> a difficult time communicating with her. I'm hoping that someone here
>>>> can provide a definitive answer on whether or not the RSA solution can
>>>> be used to secure domain servers. From what I've read, the RSA
>>>> solution comes highly recommended but without the domain level support,
>>>> I won't be able to deploy it.
>>>>
>>>> In any event, if someone could provide a good recommendation, I would
>>>> certainly appreciate it.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> DLN
>>>>
>>
>>



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