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Posted by Uri Guttman on May 3, 2008, 5:20 pm
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GE> Uri Guttman wrote:
>> > Uri Guttman wrote:
>> > > > Uri Guttman wrote:
>> > > > > but i don't attack your character as you have shown none. all
>> > > > > you have done is flame about how others post here.
>> > > >
>> > > > With all due respect, all I am guilty of is having opinions
>> > > > (which happens to be contrary to your own view in both cases.)
>> > > > If anyone did any "flaming", it was people like you that
>> > > > turned a simple point into a kill-the-heretic.
>> > > >
>> > > > You don't agree with someone, fine. But don't make it your
>> > > > personal vendetta.
>> > >
>> > > it isn't personal.
>> >
>> > You keep making it so. Every thread I make a comment or some point
>> > on
>> > something, instead of addressing it's merits or cons, you turn it
>> > into your own personal holy war. You did exactly that in the thread
>> > concerning the usage of "PERL" and you've been doing it again here.
>>
>> you haven't made one TECHNICAL comment about perl code that i have
>> seen.
GE> So what? Point me ot a rule that says every question has to be a
GE> "technical" one or sod off. Anyone can comment on someone else post,
GE> which you invite by posting in the first place. If you can't handle it,
GE> don't post.
hmm. see the guidelines. this group is about discussing perl, not the
posters.
>> that is the gist of this group. you have always commented on how
>> someone else posts or barely topical stuff like PERL vs perl.
GE> By posting you invite comments, if you can't handle it, then don't post.
GE> And would you care to tell me how making a point about something found
GE> in the documentation of Perl to be off topic in a Perl news group?
because the answer is already there (and shown many times) and flaming
about it ad nauseum does no one but you any good.
>> your latest was how others (and i) judged a post as homework.
GE> And I simply commented that that is a judgement, which is based on an
GE> assumption that could be entirely wrong. Anyone has the right to post a
GE> comment, and you invite comments by posting, so if you cannot handle it,
GE> don't post.
pot meet kettle. try to actually make a perl code comment already.
>> i have been helping with real perl issues here
GE> That doesn't give you a free ticket to act any way you want to
GE> people and assume it's perfectly ok. You are no more special than
GE> anyone else here, so get over your self and fix your max line
GE> width with replying while you're at it (it's only yours that ends
GE> up having wrapping issues when ever I hit reply. It is generally
GE> accepted be using 72-76 max per line, as it is to use a shift key,
GE> ffs.)
huh?? wrapping issues? you must use some strange usenet reader. emacs
has no problems here. nor do i. try another useless offtopic.
>> i have nothing to prove to you. you have tons to prove here.
GE> As I have nothing to prove to you, yet you insist on coming after me as
GE> if I and others do.
you do have something to prove, such as actual skill in helping others
with perl problems. that is the heart of this group. all the regulars do
that. you haven't. it is called earning stripes. otherwise you might as
well be moronzilla (google for it since you won't get the reference).
uri
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Posted by Gordon Etly on May 3, 2008, 11:33 pm
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Uri Guttman wrote:
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> > Uri Guttman wrote:
> > So what? Point me ot a rule that says every question has to be a
> > "technical" one or sod off. Anyone can comment on someone else post,
> > which you invite by posting in the first place. If you can't handle
> > it, don't post.
>
> hmm. see the guidelines. this group is about discussing perl, not the
> posters.
Seems you need to swallow your own advice, as you are the one who keeps
trying ot makes things personal.
> > By posting you invite comments, if you can't handle it, then don't
> > post. And would you care to tell me how making a point about
> > something found in the documentation of Perl to be off topic in a
> > Perl news group?
>
> because the answer is already there (and shown many times) and flaming
> about it ad nauseum does no one but you any good.
I haven't flamed anyone. I made comments. You came after me, like you
are here, rather than address the points.
> huh?? wrapping issues? you must use some strange usenet reader. emacs
> has no problems here. nor do i. try another useless offtopic.
Like I said, the only time, whine I smack "reply", that I see the
wrapping (after 3 levels of quoting) to be quite off. Most anyone else I
reply to doesn't yield such a result. What are your max character cut
offs set to for quoting? Mine is set to 72. It seem, after going over
your lines you are set to 74. Over the years I've most commonly seen 72
(and sometimes 76) as the recommended cut off. Especially in technical
groups.
Albeit the fact that 72 and 76 cause no problems for about a dozen quote
levels and 74 becomes a mess after 3 levels may be a deficiency in the
quoting mechanism in my reader. I suspect this is because of the leading
white space in the lines you quote. This would appear to be an uncommon
practice and apparently some readers don't deal with that too well. If
you could, please don't include leading white space in quoted lines.
> > > i have nothing to prove to you. you have tons to prove here.
>
> > As I have nothing to prove to you, yet you insist on coming after me
> > as if I and others do.
>
> you do have something to prove
Sorry, but no I do not. No one does. Not in order to post a comment.
I've been programming, administrating (UNIX, Linux, Solaris, Windows,
etc), and such for a long time, I've dealt with your type countless
times - the supposed veteran of a forum or news group who thinks they
can push people around for what ever reason because they believe they
have earned the right to do so. Sorry, but I don't care if you've been
around for just 20 minutes or 20 years, unacceptable behavior and same
rules should apply to everyone, not just what you might consider to be a
lower cast denizen.
> such as actual skill in helping others
I'll tell you what, learn to use your shift key properly, and I'll shift
around some time to help people out in this group. I don't really have a
problem taking time off from one forum, that I regularly help in, to
contribute help to another, but as I already told you before, it's
ludicrous to expect one to be a regular helper in every single group
they go to all the time, as there are only so many hours in the day and
for many who also work there are only so many out of the remaining hours
one can spend on forums, news groups, and mailing lists, so that does
necessitate being selective.
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Posted by Gordon Etly on May 1, 2008, 11:28 pm
Please log in for more thread options Sherman Pendley wrote:
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> > Why do you all just assume it's a homework assignment?
>
> Read step four: "Must have subroutine used."
>
> It doesn't take a psychic or a genius to identify homework when it has
> requirements like that.
>
> > Could it not just as well be a simplified work project? I
> > would not be at all surprised if this was something handed
> > down by one's boss or project manager, and written in a
> > simplified form (which is what one *should* do, no?)
>
> Uh - no. The point of hiring a professional programmer is that the
> manager should *not* have to write detailed, trivial instructions
> like "be sure to use subroutines." One gets that kind of assignment
> at school, but at work one is expected to know how to do the job
> without all the hand-holding.
You could be surprised at how clueless some mangers/bosses can be. Never
underestimate that.
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Posted by Uri Guttman on May 2, 2008, 12:12 am
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GE> Sherman Pendley wrote:
GE> ...
>> > Why do you all just assume it's a homework assignment?
>>
>> Read step four: "Must have subroutine used."
>>
>> It doesn't take a psychic or a genius to identify homework when it has
>> requirements like that.
>>
>> > Could it not just as well be a simplified work project? I
>> > would not be at all surprised if this was something handed
>> > down by one's boss or project manager, and written in a
>> > simplified form (which is what one *should* do, no?)
>>
>> Uh - no. The point of hiring a professional programmer is that the
>> manager should *not* have to write detailed, trivial instructions
>> like "be sure to use subroutines." One gets that kind of assignment
>> at school, but at work one is expected to know how to do the job
>> without all the hand-holding.
GE> You could be surprised at how clueless some mangers/bosses can be. Never
GE> underestimate that.
or some posters. we have never underestimated that.
uri
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Posted by szr on May 2, 2008, 1:20 am
Please log in for more thread options Uri Guttman wrote:
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> > You could be surprised at how clueless some mangers/bosses can be.
> > Never underestimate that.
>
> or some posters. we have never underestimated that.
It would seem the same can't be said for general politesse...
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