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Posted by JoeM on February 5, 2008, 8:40 pm
Please log in for more thread options Mine works like your dv6570ed. The dv4205 functionality you describe seems
better to me, although I'm not sure that I would use it much. HP offered to
replace my keyboard to see if that would get it to work like that. I think
it would be awkward when typing letters to have to remember that whenever I
wanted to type a 'u', 'i', 'o', 'j', 'k' or 'l' I have to hold down the fn
key... but not for the other 20 letters. Seems only marginally useful to
me. I'm more interested in being able to press fn + keypad key with the num
lk light off to produce a number. That seems like the most intuitive and
flexible functionality to me. So far in the notebooks that I've
investigated at Best Buy only Dell and Toshiba had this. Gateway and Sony
did not.
J.
>> Are you saying that neither your machine nor your wife's will produce a
>> '2'
>> if you press the 'k' key while holding down the fn key with the num lk
>> light
>> off?
>
> I wasn't saying that, but it *is* the case.
>
> However the important difference between the two systems is that - as
> I wrote - on my wife's dv4205 with XP Home, the embedded numeric keypad
> *does* work 'normally' with num lk *on*, where 'normally' means:
>
> - <key> gives the numeric key ('2')
> - fn+<key> gives the lowercase letter ('k')
> - fn+shift+<key> gives the uppercase letter ('K')
>
> I.e. exactly as documented in the User Guide.
>
> But on the dv6570ed with Vista Home Premium with num lk on, *only*
> the numeric keys work, i.e. you can get '2', but not 'k' nor 'K' (fn+k
> gives '2', fn+shift+k gives nothing).
>
>> > [Removed bogus newsgroups comp.laptops and comp.sys.hp.]
>> >
>> >> Hello,
>> >>
>> >> I have a new HP dv6700 notebook running Vista Home Premium. It seems
>> >> to
>> >> have a flaw in the way the embedded numeric keypad works. If the num
>> >> lk
>> >> light is off, and I hold down the fn key and press the 'k' key (for
>> >> example), according to the user manual it should type the numeral '2'.
>> >> But
>> >> it doesn't. Instead (working in Excel) the cell pointer moves down
>> >> one
>> >> cell. The only way to type a number using the embedded numeric keypad
>> >> is
>> >> to
>> >> press fn + num lk (to light up the num lk light) and then press 'k'
>> >> (for
>> >> example). The problem is that this is not very convenient when you
>> >> are
>> >> entering a lot of letters and numbers.
>> >>
>> >> I thought I wasn't using the feature properly, so I called HP tech
>> >> support,
>> >> and it turns out that the notebook the support person was using worked
>> >> the
>> >> same (wrong) way as mine. I'm still working with tech support to try
>> >> to
>> >> resolve this, but in the meantime I went to Circuit City today and
>> >> tested
>> >> some of the different notebooks. Two of the HP notebooks there worked
>> >> the
>> >> same (wrong) way as mine. A Sony and a Gateway also failed to produce
>> >> the
>> >> number 2 when pressing fn + 'k' with the num lk light off. Only a
>> >> Dell
>> >> seemed to get it right.
>> >>
>> >> I'm surprised, because the embedded keypad has been a standard feature
>> >> of
>> >> notebook computers for years now, and I thought that the functionality
>> >> of
>> >> being able to press fn + one of the embedded keypad keys (with the num
>> >> lk
>> >> light off) to produce a number was pretty much standard at this point.
>> >> And
>> >> according to the HP user guide it is SUPPOSED to work that way...
>> >>
>> >> I'm not sure if the Sony and Gateway are supposed to work that way
>> >> too,
>> >> but
>> >> it seems only logical to me that they would. What good is it to be
>> >> able
>> >> to
>> >> press fn + 'k' and have the cell pointer move down one cell? The
>> >> computer
>> >> has a very convenient, dedicated down arrow key for that.
>> >>
>> >> Does anybody know what's going on here? I would really like to be
>> >> able
>> >> to
>> >> type a number using the embedded key pad without turning on the num lk
>> >> light. Any advice about fixes, alternate drivers, or who (e.g., HP,
>> >> Microsoft, other...) might ultimately be responsible for this bug
>> >> would
>> >> be
>> >> greatly appreciated.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> Joe
>> >
>> > FWIW, my HP Pavilion dv6570[ed] with Windows Vista Home Premium
>> > Edition works the same 'strange' way you describe. I.e. have to turn on
>> > 'num lk' (i.e. light is on) with 'fn + 'num lk' for the embedded keypad
>> > to work and then the lower and uppercase letters don't work anymore.
>> >
>> > I thought it might have something to do with MouseKeys, StickyKeys,
>> > etc., but they are all set to off and the problem still persists.
>> >
>> > I noted that the embedded keypad '/', '*', '-' and '+' (), P, : and ?
>> > keys, all in the same (slanted) 'column') *do* work with num lk *off*
>> > and just using fn+<key>, but the embedded keypad '.', which is in a
>> > *different* slanted column, does *not* work that way. Strange!
>> >
>> > Also FWIW, my wife's HP Pavilion dv4205 with Windows XP Home Edition
>> > works the 'normal' way. I.e. turn on the the embedded keypad with 'fn
>> > + 'num lk', and then <key> gives the numeric key, fn+<key> gives the
>> > lowercase letter and fn+shift+<key> gives the uppercase letter.
>> >
>> > So it would be interesting to hear from others if this is an HP thing,
>> > or a Vista thing.
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