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Posted by Gordon Etly on May 16, 2008, 4:44 pm
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John Bokma wrote:
> > John Bokma wrote:
> > > From what I've read, written by Uri, it's somewhat his writing
> > > style.
> > I don't think it's just his writting style. Many times he just jumps
> > in to defend someone or something and often takes it way too far.
> > He's of the type that doesn't want to see things through any other
> > lens than his own.
> Yup, that's online discussing stuff for you. I am a little like that
> too I guess, and I see this behavior a lot. I have little doubt that
> if you meet those people IRL they are really nice people. Also,
> dealing every day with people who are too lazy to even pick a decent
> subject, and expect that "the Usenet people" act as their private
> help desk (free at that), makes someone not always replying in a nice
> way, even to serious questions (it's the main reason why I am giving
> up on Usenet again (and permanently this time), real soon).
While I mostly agree, I still believe that if one feels they are going
to reply in a negative manner, it may be better just not to post. The
worst part about how people like post is they act as if someone is
forcing them to post, when the reality is they could just move on to
another post or take a break in general. It seems people who are
otherwise quite helpful, when they start posting negatively, they lose
focus on the helping aspect.
> > Yes, many features that were slated for Perl 6 have found their way
> > into recent Perl 5 releases (like 5.10, imho the greatest release to
> > date.) OTOH, Perl 6 has been in devlopement for a lot longer time
> > than any other other major release of Perl.
> Duh! Times are different, it's not the late 80's anymore. If it helps,
> think of Perl 6 as a new language, not a next release of Perl 5.x that
> requires that the first digit is incremented.
Actually I believe Perl 5 came out in the mid 90's or so, and it was too
reguarded as a new language comapred to Perl 4 and before, was it not?
(Granted, Perl 6 does seems like a much larger leap from P5 than P5 from
P4.)
> > Yes it's bigger and perhaps actual code writting didn't start off
> > the
> > bat, but taking over 8 years (vs the almost 2 years it took to
> > create
> > and release Perl 5) seems to be very long for such a deleopment,
> > even
> > for a team of just volunteers, and I think this is why many people
> > are becoming or are so concerned. It is indeed difficult to fathom
> > what could be taking so long :)
> I've no idea either. But I do know that some of my projects for
> personal use do take a long, long time to finish. Why not help out
> with Perl 6? Then not only you'll learn why it's going slow, but you
> could actually help to speed things up.
Agreed.
> But why the hurry? PHP is at version 6, (or is it 7 already) and from
> what I've heard their Unicode support is still flaky.
According to http://www.php.net/downloads.php, the currently stable
release is 5.2.6, so unless you're referring to the minor part, I'm not
usre where you got those numbers.
> > At the very least it would be nice if they could
> > throw us a bit more bones as to what is going on, and perhaps more
> > people might get interested and help?
> So if someone writes: too busy with other things, and I have a family
> too, you suddenly want to become a Perl 6 developer? IMO if you want
> to help, just plan a few hours a week as "helping with Perl 6". Like I
> said, I do check the todo list now and then, and there is room for
> help, even simple things.
Agreed, more peopel could check that list and it might help, but one
also has to wonder if they are trying to do too many things at a time.
IMHO, it may (have) be(en) better to do some features for the initial
release, get it out, and then add additional feature for the next
release(s), rather than everything at once.
--
G.Etly
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