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Re: Is it acceptable to post a URL to request review of Userability? Jukka K. Korpela 10-11-2007
Posted by Jukka K. Korpela on October 11, 2007, 1:49 am
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Scripsit tatata9999@gmail.com:

> Thanks.

You're welcome. Now please read a primer on Usenet before bothering us more.
Get educated, or get killfiled.

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Jukka K. Korpela ("Yucca")
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/


Posted by Stan Brown on October 11, 2007, 5:59 am
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Thu, 11 Oct 2007 08:49:07 +0300 from Jukka K. Korpela
> Scripsit tatata9999@gmail.com:
>
> > Thanks.
>
> You're welcome. Now please read a primer on Usenet before bothering us more.
> Get educated, or get killfiled.

http://improve-usenet.org/

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Posted by RobG on October 17, 2007, 3:37 am
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> Thu, 11 Oct 2007 08:49:07 +0300 from Jukka K. Korpela
>
> > Scripsit tatata9...@gmail.com:
>
> > > Thanks.
>
> > You're welcome. Now please read a primer on Usenet before bothering us more.
> > Get educated, or get killfiled.
>
> http://improve-usenet.org/

"Most of the people who post to Usenet via the clunky Google Groups
web interface are lusers or lamers..."

What an idiotic generalisation - the use of hip gamer jargon further
erodes any chance of respect for the opinions expressed.


"Because of their use of a clunky Usenet web interface (and all Usenet
web interfaces suck - Usenet wasn't designed for webification..."

The web wasn't invented when Usenet was developed, the logic shows
considerable ignorance. Are cattle unsuitable for transportation
because they were invented before trucks?


"...and does not need webification),..."

What are the criteria for "webification"? Is the use of the WWW
limited to some subset of applications sanctioned by the author? Are
cattle unsuitable for transportation because they have legs?


"...they have no idea what Usenet is, how it works, or how to use it
properly. And they don't want to learn."

Absolute rubbish. Does the use of a news reader make someone an
instant Usenet guru?


> Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
[... trimmed 6 lines...]
> http://diveintomark.org/archives/2003/05/05/why_we_wont_help_you

I think that says it all.


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Rob


Posted by Bergamot on October 17, 2007, 9:42 am
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RobG wrote:
>>
>> http://improve-usenet.org/
>
> "Most of the people who post to Usenet via the clunky Google Groups
> web interface are lusers or lamers..."
>
> What an idiotic generalisation - the use of hip gamer jargon further
> erodes any chance of respect for the opinions expressed.

I bet you're only saying that because you posted through the clunky GG.
;) I find it amusing that you're taking it so personally. If you truly
are not the typical GG luser or lamer I'd expect you to have donned your
teflon-coated flame-retardant Usenet suit and ignore such statements.

> "...they have no idea what Usenet is, how it works, or how to use it
> properly. And they don't want to learn."
>
> Absolute rubbish. Does the use of a news reader make someone an
> instant Usenet guru?

No, nor should it. It does show, however, that they at least have the
potential for cluefulness. The huge majority of google gropers don't
have it - a fact that has become painfully obvious to the rest of us.

--
Berg

Posted by RobG on October 17, 2007, 8:35 pm
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> RobG wrote:
>
> >>http://improve-usenet.org/
>
> > "Most of the people who post to Usenet via the clunky Google Groups
> > web interface are lusers or lamers..."
>
> > What an idiotic generalisation - the use of hip gamer jargon further
> > erodes any chance of respect for the opinions expressed.
>
> I bet you're only saying that because you posted through the clunky GG.
> ;)

In part, but not solely.


> I find it amusing that you're taking it so personally. If you truly
> are not the typical GG luser or lamer I'd expect you to have donned your
> teflon-coated flame-retardant Usenet suit and ignore such statements.

I just get annoyed that people write such rubbish and others then
quote it to support their own petty agendas. Yes, I can cop as good
as anyone here can give, but that doesn't change the fact that glib,
discriminatory generalisations should be called for what they are.


> > "...they have no idea what Usenet is, how it works, or how to use it
> > properly. And they don't want to learn."
>
> > Absolute rubbish. Does the use of a news reader make someone an
> > instant Usenet guru?
>
> No, nor should it. It does show, however, that they at least have the
> potential for cluefulness. The huge majority of google gropers don't
> have it - a fact that has become painfully obvious to the rest of us.

I disagree. The GG web interface to Usenet is the first contact that
many new users have with news groups. It is to be expected that if
you make discussion forums more widely available by allowing access
via a new medium, you will get a disproportionate number of novices
using that medium. It is the responsibility of the community to
educate such users in etiquette so that they may possibly become
useful contributors, not to dismiss them as worthless clutter simply
because they come to the community via a particular medium.


--
Rob


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