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Posted by Harold on August 18, 2005, 12:00 pm
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>> On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:03:11 +0100, "Harold"
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>>>Copying stuff to the clipboard does a pretty good job of capturing text
>>>and
>>>images although formatting can be an issue. However, I *think* that the
>>>formatting issue is with the paste operation rather than with the copy. I
>>>could be wrong here though. The reason I think it's correct is that the
>>>results are different depending on what you paste into.
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>> Opera for example simply does not capture formatting or images. It
>> just captures to clipboard text unless you specifically select to copy
>> a single image. In which case you get no text... and so on..
>>
>> The problem here is asking Opera development to implement an IE \ MS
>> style copy... but then I suspect people would moan about Opera selling
>> out :)
>>
>> I still suspect this software simply taps into the MS specific
>> clipboard service.
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>> I double checked how IE copy pastes to Word. It does not copy over the
>> images but actually pastes the link (URL) and then downloads the
>> images.
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>> (This program may simply cache the page locally then use the local
>> images.)
>>
>> You can test this for your self. Write a page on your PC with a little
>> text and an image. Select all in IE then change the name of the image
>> on disk (break the link).. Paste into word and you get no image.
>> Rename the image back and paste again.. You get the image..
>>
>> I guess it will be down to the developers but to some degree I was
>> just speculating that even if no one likes IE this software may
>> actually be unable to work otherwise.. at least without the developers
>> of other browsers re-writing the way their copy function works.
>>
>> Be interesting to see what you get with firefox when copying a
>> selection of text and images and then pasting into Word for example.
>> (I don't use FF so can't test..)
>>
>> Even using the clipboard (which I do for text into notepad for my
>> Palm) will not give satisfactory resolution of the inter application
>> translation.
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>> The problem (if we stick to windows for a moment) is not with how IE
>> copies a selection into the clipboard but that not every non-MS
>> program will follow the same method and more than this how this data
>> can be understood and parsed correctly on output \ paste.
>>
>> The problem is probably both input and output. If this company
>> implements plugins for example then it might just be what we are all
>> looking for..
>>
>> Pete
> If the developers build something that only works on IE then they won't be
> popular and, as far as I am concerned, are wasting their time and money.
> That's why I was suggesting an alternative route. If that's impractical
> then the developers have a decision to make ...
>
>
> --
> Harold Fuchs
> Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana.
>
It occurs to me that this whole discussion has been nonsense - including my
own contributions.
What the Fragmento folk should be doing is borrowing the technology used by
the PrtScr (print screen) and Alt+PrtScr (print active window) functions in
Windows.
Let the user select a portion of the screen/window and then let the
Fragmento software do the equivalent of Alt+PrtScr except only focussing on
the selected area. Of course, instead of actually printing the selection,
Fragmento would do its own thing with it which probably means transferring
it to some internal data structure or even a file (or the clipboard, as per
Alt+PrtScr).
If the user chose "text only", Fragmento could even OCR the selection :-)
This would make Fragmento browser independent and the implementers could use
existing technology.
--
Harold Fuchs
Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana.
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