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Posted by John Navas on October 20, 2006, 12:52 pm
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On 19 Oct 2006 23:02:45 -0700, "mehlREMOVETHIS@cyvest.com"
>My prior ISP was SBC, which carried this newsgroup.
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>I asked DSLExtreme to carry it. Here is the response they received
>from SuperNews:
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>The "ibm.*" newsgroups are private to IBM's own servers, therefore we
>will not carry any of their newsgroups on our servers, because they are
>not public newsgroups. Additionally, "ibm.ibmpc.thinkpad" is not valid
>even on IBM's own servers - it is a newsgroup someone created on Google
>that only exists on a few other hosts worldwide.
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>Traffic to any of the "ibm.*" newsgroups that exist on Google will
>never propagate to IBM's servers, and nothing on IBM's servers is
>available on Usenet in general, because their newsgroups are private.
>You can only access the "ibm.*" newsgroups via IBM's own servers.
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>Does this make sense to those of you that know about such things?
Yes -- here's what my contact at Supernews had to say:
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John-
I apologize, but we do not carry any IBM newsgroups on our servers
because the IBM newsgroups are, according to IBM's own site, private
to their own servers and therefore should not be carried on any other
servers. Additionally, as you said, it's not a valid IBM newsgroup
(so even if we did carry IBM's newsgroups, we would not carry that
newsgroup because it's not valid according to their own newsgroup list).
Google, I believe, is the site where 'ibm.ibmpc.thinkpad' was
originally created, and other sites have added simply because it has
traffic - not caring whether or not IBM wants it carried elsewhere.
We do not carry any private newsgroups on our servers - if the site
where the newsgroup(s) originate request that other sites not carry
them (which IBM has done).
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I think this group should have been created as an alt.* newsgroup, or as
comp.sys.laptops.thinkpad, or even in comp.sys.ibm.*, although with the
Lenovo deal that would be confusing.
Supernews is very important. I see two ways to resolve the issue,
either by creating:
1. comp.sys.laptops.thinkpad - the greatest legitimacy, but a lengthy
and painful process with no guarantee of success.
2. alt.sys.laptops.thinkpad - much easier, but would only succeed if we
can migrate this traffic there, and would take some time to get going.
What do you think?
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John Navas http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=2521e67cf01a182d
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Posted by Chris F Clark on October 20, 2006, 1:27 pm
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I would prefer comp.sys.laptops.thinkpad despite the process being
longer as I know my news agent will carry it if it is legitimately in
the traditional hierarchy. It would also be nice if one or more of
the thinkpads.com (bbs?) groups could be made a gateway to the new
group. If I recall correctly, having an existing and active service
(e.g. mailing list, bbs) can be considered a positive when creating a
new group.
The harder question is whether the group should be moderated. I
personally like moderated groups and would be willing to devote
sometime to act as a co-moderator with others. However, I have no
objections to an unmoderated group and would be happier with an
unmoderated group than no group at all. Same thing holds for a group
in the alt hierarchy, I'd rather have an alt group than none at all.
Just the opinions of a potetntially happy new newsgroup partiticpant,
-Chris
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Posted by John Navas on October 20, 2006, 2:54 pm
Please log in for more thread options On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:27:00 -0400, Chris F Clark
>I would prefer comp.sys.laptops.thinkpad despite the process being
>longer as I know my news agent will carry it if it is legitimately in
>the traditional hierarchy.
I agree.
>It would also be nice if one or more of
>the thinkpads.com (bbs?) groups could be made a gateway to the new
>group.
Can you be more specific? Would you undertake that?
>If I recall correctly, having an existing and active service
>(e.g. mailing list, bbs) can be considered a positive when creating a
>new group.
I'm personally not thrilled by many gateways, which seem to result in
more junk and spam, but I'm not opposed to the idea.
>The harder question is whether the group should be moderated. I
>personally like moderated groups and would be willing to devote
>sometime to act as a co-moderator with others. However, I have no
>objections to an unmoderated group and would be happier with an
>unmoderated group than no group at all.
It's a tradeoff -- many people tend to avoid moderated newsgroups. In
any event, since comp.sys.laptops is unmoderated, I think is would make
sense for comp.sys.laptops.thinkpad to be unmoderated as well. But my
mind is open.
>Same thing holds for a group
>in the alt hierarchy, I'd rather have an alt group than none at all.
Agreed, but I'm definitely leaning toward comp.sys.laptops.thinkpad
>Just the opinions of a potetntially happy new newsgroup partiticpant,
Great -- that's much of the battle!
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Best regards,
John Navas
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Posted by Chris F Clark on October 20, 2006, 3:24 pm
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>It would also be nice if one or more of
>the thinkpads.com (bbs?) groups could be made a gateway to the new
>group.
Jahn Navas replied:
> Can you be more specific? Would you undertake that?
Yes, I will post something on thinkpads.com to get a feel for how they
feel and see if I can't facilitate the process. I'm not a moderator
there, so I can't make any official statement on their behalf, but I
can do some leg work to see which way the wind is blowing.
If nothing else, the posting should help people know that a newsgroup
may be coming and they can aggitate for (or against) it.
Thank you for taking the lead on creating this newsgroup!
-Chris
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Posted by nospam on October 20, 2006, 7:28 pm
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> Yes, I will post something on thinkpads.com to get a feel for how they
> feel
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We pretty much feel meh. Create it, don't create it, thinkpads.com will
still be there.
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