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Question on passwords David DeBoer 06-09-2006
Posted by David DeBoer on June 9, 2006, 3:07 pm
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Hello...

On SBS2003 is there a way to keep users from repeating characters in their
password?? For example my password today is 'Password-1'. When prompted to
change it I change it to 'Password-2'. To me that doesn't seem real secure.
It seems there must be a way to force users to change more than 1 character.

Any thoughts??

Thanks...



Posted by Steven L Umbach on June 9, 2006, 4:12 pm
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Not without a custom passfilt.dll or a third party program that implements
the same. The password is only insecure if an attacker discovers it or the
user is careless and shares it or posts it in a non secure area such as
under their keyboard or the side of the monitor which will offer no
protection no matter how complex it is. An attacker does not need a password
anyhow to access non encrypted data on a computer that they have full
physical access to. In situations where password security is very important
implementation of smart cards should be considered. If you enforce password
complexity and a password length of at least 15 characters the password will
be extremely secure even from a brute force crack attempt of the password
hashes. To get users to readily accept such a policy train them to think
pass phrases instead of passwords. The passhrase I forgot my stupid password
is an extremely strong password when it comes to trying to brute force crack
it. --- Steve


> Hello...
>
> On SBS2003 is there a way to keep users from repeating characters in their
> password?? For example my password today is 'Password-1'. When prompted
> to change it I change it to 'Password-2'. To me that doesn't seem real
> secure. It seems there must be a way to force users to change more than 1
> character.
>
> Any thoughts??
>
> Thanks...
>



Posted by Joe Richards [MVP] on June 9, 2006, 9:48 pm
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That would be a password complexity item, unfortunately the solution is
more insecure than the problem.

In order to be able to do comparisons like that you would need to
maintain the clear text form of the passwords somewhere so you could do
the comparison. Windows stores hashes and a simple increment in a
password will result in an entirely different hash, not an incremented
hash. So to make that comparison you need the clear text form of the old
passwords and do the comparison against the new clear text password. I
am of the opinion that those clear text passwords sitting around are far
more dangerous than some users who may or may not do Password1,
Password2, Password3, etc.

Your answer here is to educate your users on their password choices.
This goes for you admins as well because admins are horrible for doing
this and using duplicate passwords on different accounts. This last is
actually quite easy to catch... Get a hash dumper like pwdump2 and
compare the hashes, any duplicate hashes indicate duplicate passwords.
You will often find that admins with separate user and admin accounts
will duplicate passwords between the two of them, this should be a huge
no no. Admins tend to more concerned about normal users than admins but
the admins are where most of the risk is.

joe




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David DeBoer wrote:
> Hello...
>
> On SBS2003 is there a way to keep users from repeating characters in their
> password?? For example my password today is 'Password-1'. When prompted to
> change it I change it to 'Password-2'. To me that doesn't seem real secure.
> It seems there must be a way to force users to change more than 1 character.
>
> Any thoughts??
>
> Thanks...
>
>

Posted by Ian on June 12, 2006, 6:26 am
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My former webspace-provider implemented something of this kind a while
back, but refused to tell users what the groundrules were. . After
trying numerous passwords, all very secure, and having them all
rejected, in sheer desperation I tried "password" and it accepted
that.

So, as any further change was going to be a very frustrating and
time-consuming process, the password had to remain as "password."

Point pistol at foot....


>
>On SBS2003 is there a way to keep users from repeating characters in their
>password?? For example my password today is 'Password-1'. When prompted to
>change it I change it to 'Password-2'. To me that doesn't seem real secure.
>It seems there must be a way to force users to change more than 1 character.
>


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