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Problems With Kerberos Authentication Will 09-25-2007
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Posted by Jorge Silva on September 25, 2007, 3:26 pm
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Hum...
maybe this you'll help you
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/325850

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I hope that the information above helps you.
Have a Nice day.

Jorge Silva
MCSE, MVP Directory Services
>> If you're working in different subnets WINS is required.
>> for kereberos troubleshooting check:
>>
>
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/windowsserver2003/technologies/security/tkerberr.mspx
>>
>
http://searchwindowssecurity.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid45_gci1014048,00.html
>
> The message was Access is DENIED. Not Host not Found.....
>
> And all of those DCs that work are on different subnets. DNS seems to
> solve different subnet problems just fine and we have NetBIOS over TCP
> turned off in any case.
>
> --
> Will
>
>



Posted by Paul Bergson [MVP-DS] on September 25, 2007, 8:00 am
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Do you point your dc to a WINS server on its NIC configuration? It needs to
be on the same subnet as where you are attempting this test or be registered
with a WINS server.

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Paul Bergson
MVP - Directory Services
MCT, MCSE, MCSA, Security+, BS CSci
2003, 2000 (Early Achiever), NT

http://www.pbbergs.com

Please no e-mails, any questions should be posted in the NewsGroup
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

> We are in the process of migrating off W2K domain controllers to W2K3
> domain controllers. We had three DCs as follows:
>
> DC1: W2K
> DC2: W2K
> DC3: W2K3
>
> We brought up DC4 today running W2K3, with the intent to point users to
> those, migrate roles to them, and start to bring down the W2K DCs.
>
> On one of our W2K3 member servers, we get a very strange result. The
> following commands all work:
>
> net view \DC1
> net view \DC2
> net view \DC3
>
> However if you try this one it fails with an Access is Denied failure code
> 5:
>
> net view \DC4
>
> To get even stranger, these work:
>
> net view \DC4.our.domain.com // i.e., FQDN version of name works
> net view \<ip-of-DC4>
>
> So only the NetBIOS name version of the command fails.
>
> In the security eventviewer of the member server I see a failure on Error
> 529, and rather bizarre detail as follows:
>
> Logon Failure:
> Reason: Unknown user name or bad password
> User Name:
> Domain:
> Logon Type: 3
> Logon Process: Kerberos
> Authentication Package: Kerberos
> Workstation Name: -
> Caller User Name: -
> Caller Domain: -
> Caller Logon ID: -
> Caller Process ID: -
> Transited Services: -
> Source Network Address: 127.0.0.1
> Source Port: 0
>
>
> A sniffer trace on the member server shows that for the case of net view
> on DC1, DC2, and DC3, there is no attempt to use Kerberos. For the
> attempt to use DC4 using the FQDN or IP address, there is no attempt to
> use Kerberos. For the one case where things fail, sure enough there is
> a Kerberos ticket request from the member server, and one would assume the
> response back from the DC it contacts is a failure message.
>
> Looking at the text above, it looks like the ticket request is filled out
> incorrectly. I cannot make any sense of this.
>
> 1) Why is the user's name and domain left blank in the request?
>
> 2) Why is the request only needed for the NetBIOS version of the DC4
> hostname, but not for the FQDN or the IP?
>
> Any thoughts on how to go about debugging this?
>
> --
> Will
>



Posted by Jorge Silva on September 25, 2007, 8:13 am
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Hi Paul
What are you saying? That we can only use WINS in the same subet?
You should be able to use a central WINS server.

--
I hope that the information above helps you.
Have a Nice day.

Jorge Silva
MCSE, MVP Directory Services
> Do you point your dc to a WINS server on its NIC configuration? It needs
> to be on the same subnet as where you are attempting this test or be
> registered with a WINS server.
>
> --
> Paul Bergson
> MVP - Directory Services
> MCT, MCSE, MCSA, Security+, BS CSci
> 2003, 2000 (Early Achiever), NT
>
> http://www.pbbergs.com
>
> Please no e-mails, any questions should be posted in the NewsGroup
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights.
>
>> We are in the process of migrating off W2K domain controllers to W2K3
>> domain controllers. We had three DCs as follows:
>>
>> DC1: W2K
>> DC2: W2K
>> DC3: W2K3
>>
>> We brought up DC4 today running W2K3, with the intent to point users to
>> those, migrate roles to them, and start to bring down the W2K DCs.
>>
>> On one of our W2K3 member servers, we get a very strange result. The
>> following commands all work:
>>
>> net view \DC1
>> net view \DC2
>> net view \DC3
>>
>> However if you try this one it fails with an Access is Denied failure
>> code 5:
>>
>> net view \DC4
>>
>> To get even stranger, these work:
>>
>> net view \DC4.our.domain.com // i.e., FQDN version of name works
>> net view \<ip-of-DC4>
>>
>> So only the NetBIOS name version of the command fails.
>>
>> In the security eventviewer of the member server I see a failure on Error
>> 529, and rather bizarre detail as follows:
>>
>> Logon Failure:
>> Reason: Unknown user name or bad password
>> User Name:
>> Domain:
>> Logon Type: 3
>> Logon Process: Kerberos
>> Authentication Package: Kerberos
>> Workstation Name: -
>> Caller User Name: -
>> Caller Domain: -
>> Caller Logon ID: -
>> Caller Process ID: -
>> Transited Services: -
>> Source Network Address: 127.0.0.1
>> Source Port: 0
>>
>>
>> A sniffer trace on the member server shows that for the case of net view
>> on DC1, DC2, and DC3, there is no attempt to use Kerberos. For the
>> attempt to use DC4 using the FQDN or IP address, there is no attempt to
>> use Kerberos. For the one case where things fail, sure enough there is
>> a Kerberos ticket request from the member server, and one would assume
>> the response back from the DC it contacts is a failure message.
>>
>> Looking at the text above, it looks like the ticket request is filled out
>> incorrectly. I cannot make any sense of this.
>>
>> 1) Why is the user's name and domain left blank in the request?
>>
>> 2) Why is the request only needed for the NetBIOS version of the DC4
>> hostname, but not for the FQDN or the IP?
>>
>> Any thoughts on how to go about debugging this?
>>
>> --
>> Will
>>
>
>



Posted by Paul Bergson [MVP-DS] on September 25, 2007, 8:20 am
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Not at all. You need a WINS server if you have multiple sub-nets and you
want to use NetBIOS names.

--
Paul Bergson
MVP - Directory Services
MCT, MCSE, MCSA, Security+, BS CSci
2003, 2000 (Early Achiever), NT

http://www.pbbergs.com

Please no e-mails, any questions should be posted in the NewsGroup
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

> Hi Paul
> What are you saying? That we can only use WINS in the same subet?
> You should be able to use a central WINS server.
>
> --
> I hope that the information above helps you.
> Have a Nice day.
>
> Jorge Silva
> MCSE, MVP Directory Services
>> Do you point your dc to a WINS server on its NIC configuration? It needs
>> to be on the same subnet as where you are attempting this test or be
>> registered with a WINS server.
>>
>> --
>> Paul Bergson
>> MVP - Directory Services
>> MCT, MCSE, MCSA, Security+, BS CSci
>> 2003, 2000 (Early Achiever), NT
>>
>> http://www.pbbergs.com
>>
>> Please no e-mails, any questions should be posted in the NewsGroup
>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
>> rights.
>>
>>> We are in the process of migrating off W2K domain controllers to W2K3
>>> domain controllers. We had three DCs as follows:
>>>
>>> DC1: W2K
>>> DC2: W2K
>>> DC3: W2K3
>>>
>>> We brought up DC4 today running W2K3, with the intent to point users to
>>> those, migrate roles to them, and start to bring down the W2K DCs.
>>>
>>> On one of our W2K3 member servers, we get a very strange result. The
>>> following commands all work:
>>>
>>> net view \DC1
>>> net view \DC2
>>> net view \DC3
>>>
>>> However if you try this one it fails with an Access is Denied failure
>>> code 5:
>>>
>>> net view \DC4
>>>
>>> To get even stranger, these work:
>>>
>>> net view \DC4.our.domain.com // i.e., FQDN version of name works
>>> net view \<ip-of-DC4>
>>>
>>> So only the NetBIOS name version of the command fails.
>>>
>>> In the security eventviewer of the member server I see a failure on
>>> Error 529, and rather bizarre detail as follows:
>>>
>>> Logon Failure:
>>> Reason: Unknown user name or bad password
>>> User Name:
>>> Domain:
>>> Logon Type: 3
>>> Logon Process: Kerberos
>>> Authentication Package: Kerberos
>>> Workstation Name: -
>>> Caller User Name: -
>>> Caller Domain: -
>>> Caller Logon ID: -
>>> Caller Process ID: -
>>> Transited Services: -
>>> Source Network Address: 127.0.0.1
>>> Source Port: 0
>>>
>>>
>>> A sniffer trace on the member server shows that for the case of net view
>>> on DC1, DC2, and DC3, there is no attempt to use Kerberos. For the
>>> attempt to use DC4 using the FQDN or IP address, there is no attempt to
>>> use Kerberos. For the one case where things fail, sure enough there
>>> is a Kerberos ticket request from the member server, and one would
>>> assume the response back from the DC it contacts is a failure message.
>>>
>>> Looking at the text above, it looks like the ticket request is filled
>>> out incorrectly. I cannot make any sense of this.
>>>
>>> 1) Why is the user's name and domain left blank in the request?
>>>
>>> 2) Why is the request only needed for the NetBIOS version of the DC4
>>> hostname, but not for the FQDN or the IP?
>>>
>>> Any thoughts on how to go about debugging this?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Will
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



Posted by Jorge Silva on September 25, 2007, 8:30 am
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Ahh, Ok.
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I hope that the information above helps you.
Have a Nice day.

Jorge Silva
MCSE, MVP Directory Services
> Not at all. You need a WINS server if you have multiple sub-nets and you
> want to use NetBIOS names.
>
> --
> Paul Bergson
> MVP - Directory Services
> MCT, MCSE, MCSA, Security+, BS CSci
> 2003, 2000 (Early Achiever), NT
>
> http://www.pbbergs.com
>
> Please no e-mails, any questions should be posted in the NewsGroup
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights.
>
>> Hi Paul
>> What are you saying? That we can only use WINS in the same subet?
>> You should be able to use a central WINS server.
>>
>> --
>> I hope that the information above helps you.
>> Have a Nice day.
>>
>> Jorge Silva
>> MCSE, MVP Directory Services
>>> Do you point your dc to a WINS server on its NIC configuration? It
>>> needs to be on the same subnet as where you are attempting this test or
>>> be registered with a WINS server.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Paul Bergson
>>> MVP - Directory Services
>>> MCT, MCSE, MCSA, Security+, BS CSci
>>> 2003, 2000 (Early Achiever), NT
>>>
>>> http://www.pbbergs.com
>>>
>>> Please no e-mails, any questions should be posted in the NewsGroup
>>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
>>> rights.
>>>
>>>> We are in the process of migrating off W2K domain controllers to W2K3
>>>> domain controllers. We had three DCs as follows:
>>>>
>>>> DC1: W2K
>>>> DC2: W2K
>>>> DC3: W2K3
>>>>
>>>> We brought up DC4 today running W2K3, with the intent to point users to
>>>> those, migrate roles to them, and start to bring down the W2K DCs.
>>>>
>>>> On one of our W2K3 member servers, we get a very strange result. The
>>>> following commands all work:
>>>>
>>>> net view \DC1
>>>> net view \DC2
>>>> net view \DC3
>>>>
>>>> However if you try this one it fails with an Access is Denied failure
>>>> code 5:
>>>>
>>>> net view \DC4
>>>>
>>>> To get even stranger, these work:
>>>>
>>>> net view \DC4.our.domain.com // i.e., FQDN version of name
>>>> works
>>>> net view \<ip-of-DC4>
>>>>
>>>> So only the NetBIOS name version of the command fails.
>>>>
>>>> In the security eventviewer of the member server I see a failure on
>>>> Error 529, and rather bizarre detail as follows:
>>>>
>>>> Logon Failure:
>>>> Reason: Unknown user name or bad password
>>>> User Name:
>>>> Domain:
>>>> Logon Type: 3
>>>> Logon Process: Kerberos
>>>> Authentication Package: Kerberos
>>>> Workstation Name: -
>>>> Caller User Name: -
>>>> Caller Domain: -
>>>> Caller Logon ID: -
>>>> Caller Process ID: -
>>>> Transited Services: -
>>>> Source Network Address: 127.0.0.1
>>>> Source Port: 0
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A sniffer trace on the member server shows that for the case of net
>>>> view on DC1, DC2, and DC3, there is no attempt to use Kerberos. For
>>>> the attempt to use DC4 using the FQDN or IP address, there is no
>>>> attempt to use Kerberos. For the one case where things fail, sure
>>>> enough there is a Kerberos ticket request from the member server, and
>>>> one would assume the response back from the DC it contacts is a failure
>>>> message.
>>>>
>>>> Looking at the text above, it looks like the ticket request is filled
>>>> out incorrectly. I cannot make any sense of this.
>>>>
>>>> 1) Why is the user's name and domain left blank in the request?
>>>>
>>>> 2) Why is the request only needed for the NetBIOS version of the DC4
>>>> hostname, but not for the FQDN or the IP?
>>>>
>>>> Any thoughts on how to go about debugging this?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Will
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



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