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Posted by Regal53 on April 21, 2006, 8:25 pm
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>
>>> It is odd that you are so poor and have such a good FICO score.
>>
>> Income and assets are not used to calculate credit scores, timely
>> payments and low balances do.
>>
>
> I know that, but as a general rule, people with low incomes also have low
> FICO scores. Obviously, this rule of thumb is not set in stone. The idea
> is that life costs money, and if one hasn't got the cash, they use credit.
> Excessive credit drives scores down. Certainly, one can go through life
> without using credit, or using credit well, and this is reflected in high
> scores without regard to the income.
>
>
>Dave Ramsey says he has no FICO score because he does not "buy" on credit,
>he pays cash for everything, therefore no debt to track and rate.



Posted by Jeff Strickland on April 22, 2006, 6:40 pm
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>
>>
>>>> It is odd that you are so poor and have such a good FICO score.
>>>
>>> Income and assets are not used to calculate credit scores, timely
>>> payments and low balances do.
>>>
>>
>> I know that, but as a general rule, people with low incomes also have low
>> FICO scores. Obviously, this rule of thumb is not set in stone. The idea
>> is that life costs money, and if one hasn't got the cash, they use
>> credit. Excessive credit drives scores down. Certainly, one can go
>> through life without using credit, or using credit well, and this is
>> reflected in high scores without regard to the income.
>>
>>
>>Dave Ramsey says he has no FICO score because he does not "buy" on credit,
>>he pays cash for everything, therefore no debt to track and rate.
>
>

Who's Dave? The OP is a guy named Bill, that says his FICO is 850. Assuming
he is correct, he must use credit, and use it well.





Posted by $cott on April 22, 2006, 8:42 am
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Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >> It is odd that you are so poor and have such a good FICO score.
> >
> > Income and assets are not used to calculate credit scores, timely
> > payments and low balances do.
> >
>
> I know that, but as a general rule, people with low incomes also have low
> FICO scores. Obviously, this rule of thumb is not set in stone. The idea is
> that life costs money, and if one hasn't got the cash, they use credit.
> Excessive credit drives scores down. Certainly, one can go through life
> without using credit, or using credit well, and this is reflected in high
> scores without regard to the income.

IMHO, the whole credit monitoring industry is flawed for the same
reasons I mentioned; FICOs have no attachment to income and assets.
Case in point happened to me last week with a buyer that earned 600K a
year, but he had maxed out his credit cards to the tune of 50K. His
debt to income was in line, but he had a bad credit score because he
had borrowed beyond the 70% of available credit on his CCs. Because
income and assets have nothing to do with determining the score, the
credit bureau's solution would be to pay off or bring the CC debt down
to a 70% level. I had similar case earlier on in my career and I
handled in a text book fashion (Mr. Customer we need to pay this and
cancel that...) and lost my client because he was insulted that I would
make these suggestions. What did I do with my 600K client last week?
I told him the "credit system is flawed because income and assets"
story, asked him not to shoot the messenger, got him to pay some of his
debt off and closed the deal.

Regards,

Scott Miller
National Commercial and Residential Lender/Broker
1.877.716.6495
EZMortgageLoanz@aol.com

www.RealEstate-IQ.com
www.EZMortgageLoanz.com


Posted by Steve Horrillo on April 22, 2006, 11:09 am
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> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > >> It is odd that you are so poor and have such a good FICO score.
> > >
> > > Income and assets are not used to calculate credit scores, timely
> > > payments and low balances do.
> > >
> >
> > I know that, but as a general rule, people with low incomes also have
> > low
> > FICO scores. Obviously, this rule of thumb is not set in stone. The idea
> > is
> > that life costs money, and if one hasn't got the cash, they use credit.
> > Excessive credit drives scores down. Certainly, one can go through life
> > without using credit, or using credit well, and this is reflected in
> > high
> > scores without regard to the income.
>
> IMHO, the whole credit monitoring industry is flawed for the same
> reasons I mentioned; FICOs have no attachment to income and assets.
> Case in point happened to me last week with a buyer that earned 600K a
> year, but he had maxed out his credit cards to the tune of 50K. His
> debt to income was in line, but he had a bad credit score because he
> had borrowed beyond the 70% of available credit on his CCs. Because
> income and assets have nothing to do with determining the score, the
> credit bureau's solution would be to pay off or bring the CC debt down
> to a 70% level. I had similar case earlier on in my career and I
> handled in a text book fashion (Mr. Customer we need to pay this and
> cancel that...) and lost my client because he was insulted that I would
> make these suggestions. What did I do with my 600K client last week?
> I told him the "credit system is flawed because income and assets"
> story, asked him not to shoot the messenger, got him to pay some of his
> debt off and closed the deal.

In my experience trying to get people approved for Solar Water Heating
systems, I've come across quite a few people with plenty of cash and assets
they don't care nearly as much about credit as the one who has to rely on
it. They take a "who needs them" attitude, yet they don't want to come up
with the cash. A classic example was with a well known pro football player,
Brian Bl.... I couldn't get him financed for a crummy $5000 yet there were
six crazy Mercedes' in the driveway. Yet his brother, also a pro football
player paid cash for his no problem. Go figure.

--
Warmest regards,

Steve Horrillo, Realtor / C.Ht.

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Posted by Jeff Strickland on April 22, 2006, 6:36 pm
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>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>> >> It is odd that you are so poor and have such a good FICO score.
>> >
>> > Income and assets are not used to calculate credit scores, timely
>> > payments and low balances do.
>> >
>>
>> I know that, but as a general rule, people with low incomes also have low
>> FICO scores. Obviously, this rule of thumb is not set in stone. The idea
>> is
>> that life costs money, and if one hasn't got the cash, they use credit.
>> Excessive credit drives scores down. Certainly, one can go through life
>> without using credit, or using credit well, and this is reflected in high
>> scores without regard to the income.
>
> IMHO, the whole credit monitoring industry is flawed for the same
> reasons I mentioned; FICOs have no attachment to income and assets.
> Case in point happened to me last week with a buyer that earned 600K a
> year, but he had maxed out his credit cards to the tune of 50K. His
> debt to income was in line, but he had a bad credit score because he
> had borrowed beyond the 70% of available credit on his CCs. Because
> income and assets have nothing to do with determining the score, the
> credit bureau's solution would be to pay off or bring the CC debt down
> to a 70% level. I had similar case earlier on in my career and I
> handled in a text book fashion (Mr. Customer we need to pay this and
> cancel that...) and lost my client because he was insulted that I would
> make these suggestions. What did I do with my 600K client last week?
> I told him the "credit system is flawed because income and assets"
> story, asked him not to shoot the messenger, got him to pay some of his
> debt off and closed the deal.
>

Well, the whole point of the FICO score is to assess risk to the lenders. If
one has maxed out his credit, then his credit worthiness is diminished
regardless of his income. Basically, the FICO score says that past
performance is a reasonable indicator of future activity. If the past
performance is excessive, the score is driven down. Only time can fix this,
not sudden infusions of cash.

There are several criteria that go into the FICO score, including level of
debt, time/age of debt, type of debt. It is easy to have managable debt
relative to income, but still have a low score.





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